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Kelvin Mace

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74. Just for the record,

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:43 AM

Nov 2014

I have never threatened not to vote.

So if the Democrats really don't do it for you, quit demanding they beg you and start another party. It'll be more effective. The Democrats don't have time to "woo" you and aren't going to.

The entire point of my original post was in the title:

The words "Democrat" and "Republican" are pretty much meaningless

I then discuss division in the parties and why labels are meaningless and how the assumption that all Democratic candidates must be supported since they are Democrats is a self-defeating strategy.

Please show me where I "demand" anyone "beg" me to do anything.

Nowhere do I tell people not to vote. Nowhere do I tell people to form another party. If you can point to somewhere I did, then by all means do so, and I will retract it and apologize.

It is apparently considered by some on this board an egregious mortal sin to DARE to question Democratic orthodoxy. Apparently the Democratic Party mission has become "STFU and clap harder, asshole. And send money. And if you dare question holy writ, then go away we don't want you."

Yeah, that will win elections.

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The words "Democrat" and "Republican" are pretty much meaningless [View all] Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 OP

All that is left are the Center and Hard Right wings of hifiguy Nov 2014 #1

I am owned by my own person, do not need a master, I am Democrat. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #6

Joe Lieberman was a Democrat Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #14

And there are Democrats I am not fond, using your criteria there would be several Democats I will Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #15

Which is kind of my point Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #21

Uh WHAT???? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #2

its not that they are the same, but there is no serious political left La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2014 #4

then start one.....nobody is stopping you...IF your policies are SOOO exceptional.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #5

So, your point of view Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #42

no my point is why are we expected to be beholden to VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #43

So, Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #45

Am I ashamed of BEING a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #46

And that is why we lose. Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #48

you dare come here and talk that way about Actual Democrats VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #49

Says the Poster Child for "Respect" bobduca Nov 2014 #55

I RESPECT Democrats on Democratic Underground...Not Left Leaning Independents.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #59

they "have a sad" because they had to read your drivel bobduca Nov 2014 #63

says the Left Leaning Independent VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #64

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #68

Says the Left Leaning Independent....you don't get to define my "Democratness" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #71

Looks like someone has earned themselves a several week timeout. Whats interesting is... stevenleser Nov 2014 #77

I agree....their attacks are getting more and more ridiculous... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #81

Not his first time-out, either. Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #85

wow.. lol, look who's talked about "divisive bullshit"! Cha Nov 2014 #87

Yes, I do Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #69

but see if you are a Left Leaning Independent that won't vote for whomever wins the Primary VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #78

people not voting is why we lose midterms VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #50

Independents aren't Democrats AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #58

No Independents are not VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #60

People don't vote on the left unless they Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #65

baloney.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #66

So, since my opinion does not conform to what YOU believe it should be Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #73

Yeah...GOOD DAY INDEED! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #92

Yes. There is a contingent who demands the rest of the party beg them to join treestar Nov 2014 #67

Just for the record, Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #74

No that is not what the Democrats do treestar Nov 2014 #75

Again, didn't say it Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #83

and that is because elections have consequences....and SOME stay home intentionally.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #93

what with the random aggression? i am articulating a point of view many democrats feel La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2014 #91

Here's a little list compiled by DUer woo me with science hifiguy Nov 2014 #7

that is just a bunch of lines of text that someone believes... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #8

Well, isn't that special. hifiguy Nov 2014 #11

then tell him to do it.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #51

LOL, yes, I as going to follow a piece of paper rather than how... Odin2005 Nov 2014 #34

because you arent one VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #52

Then start a party with a litmus test of that list treestar Nov 2014 #70

Woo also claims republicans ran Paul Ryan as VP to ensure Obama won emulatorloo Nov 2014 #79

^^This^^ Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #88

I read the OP three times and didn't get anything like that from it. arcane1 Nov 2014 #10

That is happening by degrees Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #16

Reading comprehension fail. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #32

Wasn't sure where you were going, after hearing today "what" Democrats Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #3

What our enemies think Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #18

Do you think a candidate which pleases the far left is going to please other Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #19

"far left" Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #22

Are you center left? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #24

No, very left, Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #33

But you have described yourself as very left, not every Democrat is far left, I dont consider myself Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #35

Again, we might sit down and compare notes and discover we are Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #40

It may not surprise you but I see poison in different directions, when ut gets down Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #53

Your post is pretty much meaningless tabasco Nov 2014 #9

Sorry it was too difficult for you to understand. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #20

What garbage. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #12

So, they are keeping MAJORITY Leader McConnel at bay? Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #17

You noticed that too? Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #23

No irisblue Nov 2014 #25

Irisblue? Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #27

You're welcome irisblue Nov 2014 #29

You've got it pretty much down. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2014 #26

Thanks Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #28

No--they aren't...look at POTUS now. n t msanthrope Nov 2014 #30

That is precisely the kind of thinking baldguy Nov 2014 #31

Not what I said. Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #37

Seems you don't understand the meaning of the word "meaningless". baldguy Nov 2014 #39

I refered to the words/labels "Democrat" and "Republican" Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #41

It moves to the left overall treestar Nov 2014 #72

Sorry, I must respectfully disagree Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #76

Bullshit. Al Franken. Mitch McConnell. MineralMan Nov 2014 #36

OK Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #44

Joe Lieberman is an excellent point, against you. He had to go independent at the end. stevenleser Nov 2014 #82

Right, and how many Democrats Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #84

Well, that's one of the stupidest things I've read lately bhikkhu Nov 2014 #38

Once again, Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #47

They are very similar on many issues, but ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #54

Well said. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #56

Seriously, peal away the layer of corporate ownership and you find they are still very different. Rex Nov 2014 #57

Well said. emulatorloo Nov 2014 #80

Never thought I would pine for the GOP to be ruled by neo-cons again Rex Nov 2014 #90

Citizens United is erasing the distinction. n/t Orsino Nov 2014 #61

If by "Democratic Party" you mean "Democratic Party leadership", I agree. Scuba Nov 2014 #62

The results the parties see are night and day different tuhaybey Nov 2014 #86

And I agree with you completely Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #89