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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
47. So, I can complain. Big deal. The government knows where I live, my politics, and who I talk to.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:50 PM
Nov 2014

They can track my cell phone and online communication.
They can spy on me without a warrant.
They can search my home and person without a warrant.
They can seize my property and use it for their own purposes without due process.
They can use the powers of the state to harass me at work and at home.
They can ruin me financially through trivial criminal and civil action.
They can imprison me on false charges, like was done to Gov. Don Siegelman and Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden.
They can even, should I be classified an Enemy, have me vaporized by drone or stuffed into cement shoes by gangsters, without a warrant.

How is that not a Police State?

"Friendly Fascism" is how Bertrand Gross put it in 1980. The professor served FDR and the New Deal Democrats and is remembered today for his work to reduce poverty. Among his accomplishments, he helped author the Humphrey-Hawkins Full Employment Act. Later he taught at CUNY and Wayne State University in Detroit, where he founded the Center for Urban Studies.

Friendly Fascism

The New Face of Power in America


by Bertram Gross
South End Press, 1980, paper

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Friendly_Fascism_BGross.html



INTRO EXCERPT...

Friendly fascism portrays two conflicting trends in the United States and other countries of the so-called "free world."

The first is a slow and powerful drift toward greater concentration of power and wealth in a repressive Big Business-Big Government partnership. This drift leads down the road toward a new and subtly manipulative form of corporatist serfdom. The phrase "friendly fascism" helps distinguish this possible future from the patently vicious corporatism of classic fascism in the past of Germany, Italy and Japan. It also contrasts with the friendly present of the dependent fascisms propped up by the U.S. government in El Salvador, Haiti, Argentina, Chile, South Korea, the Philippines and elsewhere.

The other is a slower and less powerful tendency for individuals and groups to seek greater participation in decisions affecting themselves and others. This trend goes beyond mere reaction to authoritarianism. It transcends the activities of progressive groups or movements and their use of formal democratic machinery. It is nourished by establishment promises-too often rendered false-of more human rights, civil rights and civil liberties. It is embodied in larger values of community, sharing, cooperation, service to others and basic morality as contrasted with crass materialism and dog-eat-dog competition. It affects power relations in the household, workplace, community, school, church, synagogue, and even the labyrinths of private and public bureaucracies. It could lead toward a truer democracy-and for this reason is bitterly fought...

These contradictory trends are woven fine into the fabric of highly industrialized capitalism. The unfolding logic of friendly fascist corporatism is rooted in "capitalist society's transnational growth and the groping responses to mounting crises in a dwindling capitalist world". Mind management and sophisticated repression become more attractive to would-be oligarchs when too many people try to convert democratic promises into reality. On the other hand, the alternative logic of true democracy is rooted in "humankind's long history of resistance to unjustified privilege" and in spontaneous or organized "reaction (other than fright or apathy) to concentrated power...and inequality, injustice or coercion".

A few years ago too many people closed their eyes to the indicators of the first tendency.

But events soon began to change perceptions.

The Ku Klux Klan and American Nazis crept out of the woodwork. An immoral minority of demagogues took to the airwaves. "Let me tell you something about the character of God," orated Jim Robison at a televised meeting personally endorsed by candidate Ronald Reagan. "If necessary, God would raise up a tyrant, a man who may not have the best ethics, to protect the freedom interests of the ethical and the godly." To protect Western oil companies, candidate Jimmy Carter proclaimed presidential willingness to send American troops into the Persian Gulf. Rosalyn Carter went further by telling an lowa campaign audience: "Jimmy is not afraid to declare war." Carter then proved himself unafraid to expand unemployment, presumably as an inflation cure, thereby reneging on his party's past full employment declarations.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/RiseFall_Friend_Fascism_FF.html



The good professor painted an accurate picture of what was to come.



James Madison

EXCERPT...

Despite the sharp differences from classic fascism, there are also some basic similarities. In each, a powerful oligarchy operates outside of, as well as through, the state. Each subverts constitutional government. Each suppresses rising demands for wider participation in decision making, the enforcement and enlargement of human rights, and genuine democracy. Each uses informational control and ideological flimflam to get lower and middle-class support for plans to expand the capital and power of the oligarchy and provide suitable rewards for political, professional, scientific, and cultural supporters.

A major difference is that under friendly fascism Big Government would do less pillaging of, and more pillaging for, Big Business. With much more integration than ever before among transnational corporations, Big Business would run less risk of control by any one state and enjoy more subservience by many states. In turn, stronger government support of transnational corporations, such as the large group of American companies with major holdings in South Africa, requires the active fostering of all latent conflicts among those segments of the American population that may object to this kind of foreign venture. It requires an Establishment with lower levels so extensive that few people or groups can attain significant power outside it, so flexible that many (perhaps most) dissenters and would-be revolutionaries can be incorporated within it. Above all, friendly fascism in any First World country today would \ use sophisticated control technologies far beyond the ken of the classic fascists.

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Although American hegemony can scarcely return in its Truman-Eisenhower-Kennedy-Johnson form, this does not necessarily signify the end of the American Century. Nor does communist and socialist advance on some fronts mark American and capitalist retreat on all fronts. There are unmistakable tendencies toward a rather thoroughgoing reconstruction of the entire "Free World." Robert Osgood sees a transitional period of "limited readjustment" and "retrenchment without disengagement," after which America could establish a "more enduring rationale of global influence." Looking at foreign policy under the Nixon administration, Robert W. Tucker sees no intention to "dismantle the empire" but rather a continued commitment to the view that "America must still remain the principal guarantor of a global order now openly and without equivocation identified with the status quo." He describes America as a "settled imperial power shorn of much of the former exuberance." George Liska looks forward to a future in which Americans, having become more mature in the handling of global affairs, will at last be the leaders of a true empire.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Specter_FriendlyFascism_FF.html



Regarding today's Police State:



The Criminal Police State can now:

Avoid punishment for murder
Lay Seige to American cities
Use FBI for terrorist attacks
Spy on all US citizens
Spy on and intimidate citizens
Brand anyone a terrorist
Ignore the Bill of Rights entirely
Illegally imprison American citizens
Assassinate Americans: 1 2
Loot taxpayer money for fat-cats


A capitalist cabal has seized political and economic power over the nation and now steals all elections by selecting candidates for both parties

In a free society:

Police agencies respond only to evidence of planned and actual criminal activity.
Police officers keep the peace; they do not investigate citizens and activities unless there is some reason to investigate.
Police do not investigate citizens' attitudes toward the central government, only their action.
Citizen dissent is lawful and police agencies do not investigate citizens' attitudes toward the criminal justice apparatus.


Those conditions no longer exist in the United States!

SOURCE: http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm



So, that's why I think we're in a Police State. Otherwise, the candidate who promised to end wars for empire, stop domestic spying, prosecute Banksters, deliver universal health care, raise taxes on the rich and a whole lot would have done them after assuming office. Instead, it's been six years of more of the same old same sold cough.

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DHS better fucking be there to protect the people from the racist police randys1 Nov 2014 #1
same thought I had.. G_j Nov 2014 #2
Sadly, DHS was created to do the other thing :( arcane1 Nov 2014 #3
"What has a snow ball's chance in Hell of being the case" for 2000, Alex. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #7
Dont be so sure, I wont be surprised if the locals are told to stand down randys1 Nov 2014 #8
Because the real name of DHS is Geheime Staatspolizei hobbit709 Nov 2014 #4
Genau. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #5
But Holder and Obama are in charge, surely there has to be some hope randys1 Nov 2014 #6
"They Saw Noothiiiing Nooo-thiiiing!" Hubert Flottz Nov 2014 #11
the SA heaven05 Nov 2014 #17
Sicherheitsdienst might be more appropriate [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2014 #39
Because some one is thinking that there will be no endictment for the "ALLEGED" murder Agnosticsherbet Nov 2014 #9
Additional Informtion avebury Nov 2014 #10
Who's going to stay at Drury Plaza Chesterfield after this? nt proverbialwisdom Nov 2014 #19
Thank-you for the heads up Mark Paffrath. nc4bo Nov 2014 #12
but, but, we don't live in a police state!!!! KG Nov 2014 #13
The bummer of it is that he wasn't on public ground so probably can't challenge it. Pholus Nov 2014 #14
Gee... DeSwiss Nov 2014 #15
Can you spell rhetoric? rhett o rick Nov 2014 #24
Hey, what is UP! I forgot to remind you that Warren isn't running- snooper2 Nov 2014 #28
Why are some so obsessed with that statement? Maybe if it's said enough it will become true. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #30
blah, Hillary is old news, we are getting new blood, Warren isn't running though snooper2 Nov 2014 #32
HRC is the Democratic choice of the Oligarchy so I doubt she is old news. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #35
They are chomping at the heaven05 Nov 2014 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author proverbialwisdom Nov 2014 #18
So what is the title of the person mtngirl47 Nov 2014 #20
I think this story belongs alongside the Russian claim that they have a satellite hedgehog Nov 2014 #21
Please point me to that claim. MattSh Nov 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author aggiesal Nov 2014 #22
And this is under a Democratic President. Do not support any more conservative Democrats. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #23
As he should be Egnever Nov 2014 #25
That whooshing sound? hueymahl Nov 2014 #31
Happens a lot with that poster! nt Logical Nov 2014 #34
Anyone could post that picture, legally! nt Logical Nov 2014 #33
I'm sorry he got fired from his job! FYI.. the site has Darren "Wilson's" name wrong.. Cha Nov 2014 #26
On his way to 10 grand. Soldiers unite!!!! NCTraveler Nov 2014 #29
The gofundme thing is a scam right? Lenomsky Nov 2014 #36
Totally missing from the conversation ... Roy Rolling Nov 2014 #37
That means federal is expecting Wilson to NOT be indicted on the charges. TRoN33 Nov 2014 #38
Huh? Since when are citizens protected from the police? nt valerief Nov 2014 #42
Well, clearly these are standing by to round up Republicans and send them to the FEMA camps..... brooklynite Nov 2014 #40
Those assholes are going to have a riot come hell or highwater. Bastards. nt valerief Nov 2014 #41
Of course VA_Jill Nov 2014 #43
Not good. DHS has broad powers, almost dictatorial in a crisis Wella Nov 2014 #44
What police state? Octafish Nov 2014 #45
Apparently the kind that lets you publicly complain about a Police State... brooklynite Nov 2014 #46
So, I can complain. Big deal. The government knows where I live, my politics, and who I talk to. Octafish Nov 2014 #47
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