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Martin Eden

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213. Joe Biden did too

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 04:44 PM

Nov 2014

I like Joe, but I can't support anyone in a Dem primary who gave Bush the green light to invade Iraq.

Here at DU we knew it was a pack of lies and that it would not be a cakewalk leading to a flowering of pro-American democracy.

A US senator who didn't know that is inexcusably incompetent. More likely they were on board with the agenda or were just going with the prevailing political winds at the time because it made them look "tough" on foreign policy.

That was when the Democratic Party -- and our country -- desperately needed strong leadership to stand up and put a stop to the catastrophe before so much blood and treasure was flushed down the drain.

I simply cannot excuse Hillary or anyone else who didn't at least make an effort to stop it.

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I'll tell you in 1 word why I won't vote for Hillary [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 OP

Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #1

Wow. Really dumb post. HERVEPA Nov 2014 #2

+1000 lobodons Nov 2014 #124

plus Google on op. roguevalley Nov 2014 #162

You are way too kind amuse bouche Nov 2014 #139

Yes, I'm often accused of that. :-) HERVEPA Nov 2014 #144

I've seen some moronic thoughts posted by so called Dems amuse bouche Nov 2014 #167

There is an intersection between the two sites. HERVEPA Nov 2014 #207

You left off your reasoning. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #191

Not really Warpy Nov 2014 #201

There are many reasons to not vote for Hillary. Many. What her child does is not one of them. Autumn Nov 2014 #3

Her child does nothing except serve as a conduit for money-for-access. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #13

They are all members of a select club. What Hillary's daughter does is of no consequence to me. Autumn Nov 2014 #15

Chelsea hasn't succeeded at squat. She got favorable treatment because she is the scion of royalty. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #23

Exactly what I said, any Presidents or politician child gets then same favorable treatment, Autumn Nov 2014 #27

You and I are almost on the same page. What you lay on Chelsea, I lay on Hillary Autumn Nov 2014 #33

Fair 'nuff. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #36

Right back at you. So what shall we do about this mess we find ourselves in? Autumn Nov 2014 #43

For starters, people should stop treating Hillary as if she's inevitable and the best compromise. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #49

Those bold young visionaries? You explained exactly where they are Autumn Nov 2014 #64

We have Bernie Sanders who can put a stop to the Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #132

Are you serious? How long has Bernie been a member of Congress? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #153

As a Senator, he is one of a 100, as POTUS he would Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #157

The POTUS is one branch and should be working with Congress to get issues accomplished. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #181

He has relationships in the Senate galore and has/will compromise. They Bully Pulpit is Teddy Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #223

His message has not taken center stage since January 3, 1991, what would be the difference in 2016? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #225

He has accomplished an enormous for the people who elected him in his own state. He actually IS a sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #232

What you said!!! It seems that many just want to poke holes at people at least trying to change the Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #235

Democratic corporatists are better than Republican ones treestar Nov 2014 #87

At one time I thought that also, I don't believe it anymore. Autumn Nov 2014 #100

I don't agree treestar Nov 2014 #75

AMEN! Duppers Nov 2014 #67

Amy Lynn Carter! Cosmic Kitten Nov 2014 #175

You're leaving out Amy Carter starroute Nov 2014 #17

Yes I did forget her and Reagans kids too. But any Presidents or politicians kids get the same Autumn Nov 2014 #22

Looks like she used that power for good treestar Nov 2014 #77

Megan McCain comes to mind. n/t Ineeda Nov 2014 #136

And 4 of FDR's 5 kids (one didn't make it to adulthood) ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #81

+++1000 nt kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #50

Follow the Money LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #4

That seems like an odd objection el_bryanto Nov 2014 #5

Superb BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #6

Whatever. lamp_shade Nov 2014 #7

I gave it a rec JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #8

What an absurd post. still_one Nov 2014 #9

Absolutely! Children of celebrities becoming celebrities? This is ridiculous!!1! DetlefK Nov 2014 #10

Maybe they're just grateful to Bubba? merrily Nov 2014 #11

I don't care how servile and nepotistic the media is. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #12

One thing you left out. Obama is on board with Bush's crimes, the same one's you lay on Hillary . Autumn Nov 2014 #105

Outrageous lie. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #111

Problem is it's not a lie. It's not just his ""failure" to politically interfere" Autumn Nov 2014 #119

You are just making shit up. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #125

I never said one word about Executive Orders on anything , nice try Autumn Nov 2014 #149

So your stirring moral indictment of the President is that he nominated a guy True Blue Door Nov 2014 #158

Here's another link on torture for you. Just posted in GD. Autumn Nov 2014 #199

LOL, so your Brennan tack fell apart and now you're on to the next angle. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #203

I'll tell you in 1 word why I WILL vote for HRC ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #14

Bravo! asjr Nov 2014 #16

I thought about responding to the OP with a more substantive response; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #19

Then you approve of pay-for-play by proxy. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #32

I live in the real world. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #35

Generally the term "Progressive" implies a rejection of the status quo. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #39

One can reject the status quo without launching quixotic missions ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #42

Is it as quixotic as voting for patronage and political insularity and then expecting reform? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #44

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #69

If corporate patronage of the ruling elite is your only reality then, by gumption, you'll have it. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #238

One can reject the status quo without living in an alternate universe. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #237

The Kennedys? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #239

At least you're consistent DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #240

Consistently factual. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #241

No, but since elections are choices... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #242

Yeah. Binary choices. 300 million people and all we can come up with is Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #243

I think you are being too rough on Chelsea. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #48

I don't resent her as a person but I know a quid pro quo scheme when I see it. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #54

Yes, I see it too but it's her parents work more than hers, I believe. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #63

good point treestar Nov 2014 #80

"Fucking around?" You mean sexually violating and harassing women. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2014 #94

Your last paragraph is everything that is wrong with this country. Autumn Nov 2014 #52

You said one word would keep you asjr Nov 2014 #60

He also could have aid "selling-out," although that is hyphenated. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #70

No. It means he's realistic. ANYONE who is prominent enough to win the Presidency pnwmom Nov 2014 #65

By definition no one can be POTUS treestar Nov 2014 #84

And the children of Bernie and Elizabeth ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #86

Psst! I love 'em both, but you can't say that here! freshwest Nov 2014 #216

Dontchaknowit ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #217

After these midterm elections Sheepshank Nov 2014 #108

After this midterm, choosing to nominate Clinton is even more absurd. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #173

I don't believe we were talking Primaries Sheepshank Nov 2014 #182

It will be the supporters of the Turd Way that are burying Democrats. They go there and they are TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #221

Yes, yes and hell yes! leftofcool Nov 2014 #18

I guess.. GummyBearz Nov 2014 #25

What part was that? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #37

The part GummyBearz Nov 2014 #68

Oh ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #71

And then, GummyBearz Nov 2014 #218

And what does ANY of that have to do with ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #219

uh, GummyBearz Nov 2014 #220

+100 ... n/t obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2014 #45

+1000. n/t pnwmom Nov 2014 #58

+1 treestar Nov 2014 #78

If she wins the primary, she will have my vote in the general because their nominee will be worse. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #106

Don't forget the USSC. Citizens United would not have happened if tblue37 Nov 2014 #184

But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #190

Jeb Bush is running, you can be sure of it. Let's talk about his kids... freshwest Nov 2014 #214

Correct. RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #20

In a recent televised interview with Chelsea she said the hedge fund work was sketchy Nov 2014 #21

She, of course, gave away the money. Right? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #26

lol - right? Just like that Lewis guy, "Liar's Poker", writing that memoir closeupready Nov 2014 #28

You keep upping your game. It is fantastic to watch!!!! nt. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #176

Now that's funny. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #56

Aww ...I almost feel sorry for her ....NOT! L0oniX Nov 2014 #96

How nauseating. /nt Marr Nov 2014 #151

So the hedge fund work was Chelsea's teen rebellion sketchy Nov 2014 #24

The one word for me? Kissinger! nt Quackers Nov 2014 #29

^^THIS ^^ n/t librechik Nov 2014 #30

+1 Scuba Nov 2014 #31

+1 nt F4lconF16 Nov 2014 #183

I will add another - Blankfein. hifiguy Nov 2014 #189

I'll vote for Mussolini if ... dawg Nov 2014 #34

This. Every . Single . Time. pkdu Nov 2014 #47

And the thing is ... I *do* want a pony. dawg Nov 2014 #57

Then Sir , my hat is off to you. Wish there were more like you. pkdu Nov 2014 #73

We already live in that America. dawg Nov 2014 #88

ACRASIA pkdu Nov 2014 #38

Remind me what Chelsea did to merit her tens of millions of dollars as well as TV and magazine time. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #41

Seriously ? Chelsea Clinton is giving you a sad?....she is not on the ballot in 2016 , her Mom pkdu Nov 2014 #123

Becoming *exactly* like the other party IS self-defeating. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2014 #40

Wow, of all the things to criticize about Hillary hamsterjill Nov 2014 #46

Well said! mimi85 Nov 2014 #83

While that one isn't at the top of my list HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #97

Agree, but think your insults are a little off. deurbano Nov 2014 #171

You're correct. hamsterjill Nov 2014 #200

I can't even imagine what that would be like. deurbano Nov 2014 #208

Is this a warped version of condemning a child for the sins of the parents? longship Nov 2014 #51

original sin? hmmmm. very weird still_one Nov 2014 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author longship Nov 2014 #59

The argument in the OP is indeed weird. nt longship Nov 2014 #82

exactly. Criticize the candidate, but not the kid still_one Nov 2014 #89

I would rather be angry about the children of Kochs, Adlestein, and the banisters and the Wall Stree kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #61

She is 34 years old. longship Nov 2014 #76

Chelsea's fortunes are nothing more than a down payment for access to Hillary. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #104

Evidence please? longship Nov 2014 #115

What other 20-something gets to become a multi-millionaire fresh out of school with no experience? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #131

Again. Irrelevant. And again, do you really want to inflict a child's sins upon a parent? longship Nov 2014 #137

What "sins" are you talking about? The only sin of the parent I'm alleging is Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #146

Bristol Palin OldRedneck Nov 2014 #150

And that just proves my point that the system is paying to protect itself rather than Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #168

Nuts! rock Nov 2014 #55

Perhaps in order to secure your vote the Democrats will nominate ... 11 Bravo Nov 2014 #62

Hah! There's the ticket! pnwmom Nov 2014 #66

What did Chelsea do to earn her millions? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #74

thread win treestar Nov 2014 #91

Caroline Kennedy treestar Nov 2014 #72

That's how I felt about Joe Kennedy's kids. OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #79

Chelsea is not my reason bigwillq Nov 2014 #85

No more dynasties. JEB Nov 2014 #90

+1 L0oniX Nov 2014 #95

Yeah, because Chelsea is the only politician's kid to ever have her career-track skis greased Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #92

I didn't say she was the ony one. In fact, I'm saying she's part of a corrupt system. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #98

But still -- What Chelsea may or may not do with her life should have little to do with Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #103

Chelsea hasn't done anything with her life accept become a multi-millionaire so as to Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #107

So who is your choice for Dem nominee, then? Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #113

How dare you knock Chelsea, mother of the year! But, you do bring up a valid point. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2014 #93

Wow. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #99

Another non-answer. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #102

I devoted as much time to it as I thought it deserved. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #114

That's usually what you say when you run away. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #138

Do you have children? dilby Nov 2014 #101

uh huh Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #112

My mother barely finished High School. dilby Nov 2014 #122

That's ridiculous Brainstormy Nov 2014 #109

I'm sure she's a swell person but she's been showered with millions to buy access to mother. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #116

K & R plus 1000000000000000000000 Thespian2 Nov 2014 #110

such an incredibly dumb post. nt La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2014 #117

There are a myriad of good reasons for opposing Hillary. This ain't one of them. n/t RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #118

I can think of LOTS of words for that besides 'Chelsea'. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #120

This might be so bad it actually unites DU kcr Nov 2014 #121

Absolutely ridiculous. Who cares why you won't vote for her! nt michaz Nov 2014 #126

5 reasons why vote for Hillary lobodons Nov 2014 #127

huh/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #128

I'm sure the hungry, sick, poor, unemployed, dreamers, elderly... cry baby Nov 2014 #129

I think your main point is that the 1% expect something from Hillary, if she becomes POTUS. merrily Nov 2014 #130

You should have stopped with one word liberal N proud Nov 2014 #133

wow--the animosity you display towards this woman is, to say the least, a bit over the top, and, it niyad Nov 2014 #135

A rejection of greed, nepotism, patronage, insularity, undue excess, aristocracy -- but not persnal. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #142

whatever lets you sleep at night. niyad Nov 2014 #145

Which member of the Bush and Romney families is a Democratic nominee? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #152

These are all valid criticisms. Dynasties suck. Orsino Nov 2014 #177

I disagree, kids and spouses should be left out of this debate. redstatebluegirl Nov 2014 #140

Chelsea, fresh out of college, would have to been managing $3BN in assets. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #143

There's nothing wrong with making the best of one's opportunities. lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #141

Were you dropped on your head at birth?? OldRedneck Nov 2014 #147

A good person who made $15 million fresh out of college in a business that MIGHT pay her 0.5% Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #148

Comparing Old Redneck's personal testimony and your screed: you come across as jealous and bitter Hekate Nov 2014 #154

No fresh-from-college grad gets to manage $3BN in assets. Let's not kid ourselves. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #163

Yeah, wasn't it a shame when Jimmy Carter's Grandson ran for Governor of Georgia? brooklynite Nov 2014 #155

Well, then. I'm convinced now. MineralMan Nov 2014 #156

I'll join you in your emoticon's hurling sketchy Nov 2014 #197

Jeb says thanks. n/t Orsino Nov 2014 #159

He'll be saying thanks even if Hillary wins. The aristocracy always protects its own. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #164

Well, he might be saying thanks from a different office. n/t Orsino Nov 2014 #174

How shallow. (nfm) SunDrop23 Nov 2014 #160

Do you believe that Hillary Clinton acts as she does because of favors shown to Chelsea? Jim Lane Nov 2014 #161

Do you believe an MBA with zero work experience would be given $3 billion to manage because Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #165

Those are different questions. Jim Lane Nov 2014 #187

"do you think Hillary would be doing anything different in terms of policy or politics?" Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #196

IWR Martin Eden Nov 2014 #166

I kinda agree obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2014 #192

Joe Biden did too Martin Eden Nov 2014 #213

Iraq DesMoinesDem Nov 2014 #169

Wow. That was unexpected. In an unrelated note, cheapdate Nov 2014 #170

If they stay out of politics, ok. Even the rumors of Jeb running are sickening. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #172

What would Lincoln have thought? One_Life_To_Give Nov 2014 #178

I gave you a rec Township75 Nov 2014 #179

I have also hit the post button when I shouldn't have. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #180

For someone who appears to take umbrage with an OP decrying political dynasties it is peculiar Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #185

Who is the other "political dynasy" I used as a defense? nt. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #188

John and Meghan McCain. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #194

Once again, how would it be a political dynasy if McCain ran again. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #195

I'll tell you in 1 word why I will. KamaAina Nov 2014 #186

Edgy!...nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #193

UNREC FSogol Nov 2014 #198

You're right. The Clintons are getting classic Tribute from the 1%.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #202

And yet we get no rationale as to why we should embrace this sick system apart from Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #205

Just like Jenna on the Today Show! TheNutcracker Nov 2014 #204

My guess the one word was "Bengazi". You know more will come out after she is our nominee. TheNutcracker Nov 2014 #206

If it's dirt-digging they'll go all the way back to Whitewater and that time Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #209

You'll have to do better than that: muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #222

I don't necessarily agree with this OP. Puglover Nov 2014 #210

This thread seems like something you might have heard in gradeschool; under lumpy Nov 2014 #211

My word would be... NobodyHere Nov 2014 #212

Chelsea had every door opened to her, yet chose to be a hedge fund manager Adenoid_Hynkel Nov 2014 #215

Congratulations!!! NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #224

Not going to flame you. I'll just tell you that this is sad. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #226

unrec. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #227

I'll tell you why I wouldn't vote: Congress Initech Nov 2014 #228

Chelsea is a non issue in this world of crazy stuff we need to be talking about. think Nov 2014 #229

TeaLeft nonsense. RBInMaine Nov 2014 #230

HDS bhikkhu Nov 2014 #231

She's the Caroline Kennedy of this generation. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2014 #233

Agree with your premise, but I don't see it as a good enough reaso to put a Republican in the White world wide wally Nov 2014 #234

huh/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #236

If you REALLY want an example of a sad, sick, diseased, cancerous system... baldguy Nov 2014 #244