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hfojvt

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22. at this point though
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:04 PM
Nov 2014

how can we possibly know the truth. We have a whole bunch of he said - she said. And none of the "she said" people said anything in real time - which would have allowed the collection of actual physical evidence. Can we KNOW the truth based on the idea that "these women are willing to testify in court, so they must be telling the truth"?

So nobody ever lies under oath?

Or can we KNOW the truth based on the idea that "there is more than one, (or two, or five) accusers, so they must be telling the truth"?

So there is NOT more than one dishonest person in this country?

Consider another "serial rapist" - Bill Clinton.

Well, there was Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Gennifer Flowers, and at least one other woman whose name escapes me (and is not being mentioned in wiki). The widow on the elevator. She was all over the media, was on Hardball for half an hour trashing Clinton. Heck, even years later in 2004 when Clinton's biography "My Life" came out the local CBS news affiliate in KC quoted her as saying "It should have been called 'My lies'"

I credit Somerby for pointing out - even the special prosecutor, who was doing his best to get Clinton's scalp - did NOT think that her story was credible.

Which doesn't, of course, stop the media from, even in 2004, giving her airtime to slime the former President.

Then, of course, there was Clinton, who solemnly stood before the nation and said "I did not have sex with that woman ..." I remember thinking at the time "I sure hope he is telling the truth, but he is probably lying."

Yep shenmue Nov 2014 #1
yup mopinko Nov 2014 #2
yep. exactly. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #3
Yup. I can't imagine.... JaneyVee Nov 2014 #4
"That's guilty until proven innocent., in the court of public opinion." unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #5
oh, I intended it. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #6
+1000 eShirl Nov 2014 #9
It's the same reason people defended Roman Polanski and Michael Jackson. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #7
yep. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #8
I agree - more about general denial ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #10
And, it must be admitted, Cosby's public persona is endearing. It's a loveable persona and Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #11
A long-time lovable persona ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #14
Agreed. Thank-you for the conversation. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #15
yes, it's very hard to overcome a kind persona. predators know this, too. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #18
like the old commercial could be modified "I am not a nice person hfojvt Nov 2014 #23
! BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #25
There was a fair amount of ethnic chauvinism too AngryAmish Nov 2014 #29
at this point though hfojvt Nov 2014 #22
a couple thoughts immediately come to mind BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #26
Really? 11 of 14? hfojvt Nov 2014 #33
oh, you didn't know about the backlog of rape kits left in police storage rooms? BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #34
a backlog hfojvt Nov 2014 #41
I was replying to your comment. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #53
Rich and powerful people awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #44
that's a good point ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #35
Juanita Broaddrick? alp227 Nov 2014 #39
no I guess that was another one hfojvt Nov 2014 #40
Monica never accused BC of rape. nt alp227 Nov 2014 #43
You remember the OJ trial? XemaSab Nov 2014 #55
The truth will never be known yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #31
And it's not just the media. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #12
yep. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #13
Ah, yes, the disruptors. They're like dust. You can get rid of most of it but not all. nt valerief Nov 2014 #17
Why isn't that true though? hfojvt Nov 2014 #32
Well, this IS a patriarchy, like all those other theocratic countries. nt valerief Nov 2014 #16
yep. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #19
To avoid accusations of rape, Bill HoosierCowboy Nov 2014 #20
for predators, consent takes away the fun. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #21
Jimmy Saville got away with being a predator all his life. pink-o Nov 2014 #24
^^^ this^^^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #27
it's hard to believe that hfojvt Nov 2014 #37
You don't think you'd remember being raped or sexually abused at the age of 8? gollygee Nov 2014 #49
a very depressed k and r for the truth. niyad Nov 2014 #28
Don't underestimate the corollary: "Fuck the lying media (that lost KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #30
or it could be because the people praising him SoCalDem Nov 2014 #36
I don't know that I think of him as a "hero" or "my idol" hfojvt Nov 2014 #38
Exactly Blanche, you said it all. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #42
k&r... spanone Nov 2014 #45
There is some truth to that, no doubt. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #46
I don't think some people like "The Court of Public Opinion." BKH70041 Nov 2014 #47
I thought the court of public opinion and DU had convicted Bill Cosby. madinmaryland Nov 2014 #48
Thanks for this post, I agree Beringia Nov 2014 #50
It's even worse than believing that the accusers are lying. WhiteAndNerdy Nov 2014 #51
^ BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #52
It's especially strange when you consider that his audience is primarily rudolph the red Nov 2014 #54
The same bunch MFM008 Nov 2014 #56
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