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Cleita

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60. When I lived in Chile, we drank beer or wine at every meal and there
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:45 PM
Nov 2014

was a daily cocktail hour, whether a cocktail party or scotch or martinis served at tea time, for those who didn't want just tea. Also, various wines were served at the meals with each course with brandy or cordials after. By all the wisdom of the day, everyone should have gotten liver transplants because of the frequency and amount of alcohol served, yet most people remained healthy and sober.

I spent a lot of time pondering the differences of both cultures considering a streak of alcoholism with the accompanying diseases that ran in my USA family. My Chilean family did not have the alcoholism or the diseases yet they drank. I finally realized it was because the drinking in Chile always accompanied meals. I believe the food probably absorbed the toxins in the alcohol. Here in the USA I noticed that people spent hours drinking before having a meal or even instead of a meal.

I know this isn't scientific, but it seems that Mediterranean cultures in Europe have similar outcomes. Maybe it's something that should be studied. I myself have adopted a hybrid approach, where I drink socially but otherwise don't so I may go months without even a glass of beer and I always make sure that I eat before such an evening or at least during. I'm almost 75 and my liver, heart and BP are fine.

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Two questions... KansDem Nov 2014 #1
I don't UglyGreed Nov 2014 #2
I see your point... KansDem Nov 2014 #4
I go by UglyGreed Nov 2014 #10
My question is about the many Europeans who have always had wine with their meals. CTyankee Nov 2014 #5
I have a glass of wine with dinner every night JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #7
I toured a wine vineyard in the Bourgogne last month. They made Beaujolais. CTyankee Nov 2014 #8
Agreed! JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #9
excellent. How wonderful! I know that Italians have long cultivated their own backyard vineyards CTyankee Nov 2014 #13
reservastrol in red wine showing great anti-aging properties; don't know about liquor, beer zazen Nov 2014 #21
"a drink" here means 0.6 fl oz of pure alcohol - 12 oz beer, 5 oz wine or 1.5 oz spirits muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #17
I guess you and I are both heavy drinkers. I like a glass of wine appleannie1 Nov 2014 #30
If you're waking up... TeeYiYi Nov 2014 #73
"Malt does more than Milton can\To justify God's ways to man." ~Housman - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #89
doesnt matter - this is self-reported data and thus, baloney elehhhhna Nov 2014 #130
Let me add UglyGreed Nov 2014 #3
I think most of my drinking was 'fit in'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #6
Most of my drinking is because I love booze. AngryAmish Nov 2014 #11
+1 Go Vols Nov 2014 #41
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Amen, brother. landolfi Nov 2014 #88
I'm kind of in between. Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #123
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No, no, please continue! Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #126
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That's cool Green tea has lots of health benefits. Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #128
Peer pressure UglyGreed Nov 2014 #12
I think it's a problem if your loved ones have asked you to stop and you can't. Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #14
Indeed also if your UglyGreed Nov 2014 #15
That too! Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #16
So seriously, what's the test they can do to see if you drink to much? a kennedy Nov 2014 #76
Liver function. But by then it's too late. DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #85
The test is can you stop when you want to. landolfi Nov 2014 #90
You and uglygreed nailed defining elements from my family experience loyalsister Nov 2014 #20
I'm so sorry for what you have gone through! Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #25
I understand your pain UglyGreed Nov 2014 #35
Thanks loyalsister Nov 2014 #65
I wish I could ask my dad to stop laundry_queen Nov 2014 #63
Hugs and no words Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #87
I drank for 30 years madokie Nov 2014 #18
Schnapps is what my father called his Vodka. UglyGreed Nov 2014 #36
I drank beer, too much beer sorefeet Nov 2014 #19
That's quie a story, sorefeet. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #24
Yes you were self medicating UglyGreed Nov 2014 #42
I enjoy a glass of red wine or two at dinner or in the evening most nights FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #22
Constant ever present in my home growing exboyfil Nov 2014 #23
Lots of people in the US freak out over drinking and think all drinking is bad Major Nikon Nov 2014 #26
People freak out about chronic pain sufferers UglyGreed Nov 2014 #37
I haven't seen anyone freak out over that Major Nikon Nov 2014 #43
I live UglyGreed Nov 2014 #47
Let me add how many DWI UglyGreed Nov 2014 #48
DWI is a very dangerous thing, do you think they should let everyone do it? bettyellen Nov 2014 #49
Well if you look UglyGreed Nov 2014 #51
I was just reading something about how DWI laws are not popular with the general public, and that bettyellen Nov 2014 #54
I did not condone DWI UglyGreed Nov 2014 #56
I got that, yes. I'd just never read of it being a big money maker. bettyellen Nov 2014 #57
Ok I just wanted to make that UglyGreed Nov 2014 #61
of course- and thanks for doing so! bettyellen Nov 2014 #64
tough DWI laws save lives KinMd Nov 2014 #52
Please read the thread N/T UglyGreed Nov 2014 #53
My bad KinMd Nov 2014 #59
That's ok I do it all the time UglyGreed Nov 2014 #62
My reply to other person who decide I want people to drive drunk UglyGreed Nov 2014 #55
And most of them never actually hurt anyone. alarimer Nov 2014 #67
I agree I don't think arresting those who have an addiction UglyGreed Nov 2014 #101
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I'm a recovering drunk KinMd Nov 2014 #27
Thread winner!!!! UglyGreed Nov 2014 #38
I've never seen alcohol do anyone any good Johonny Nov 2014 #28
You can say that about smoking, desserts, overeating, etc. nt Logical Nov 2014 #32
I am kind in your boat rurallib Nov 2014 #129
how about 10 or 15 a NIGHT? BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #29
So sorry UglyGreed Nov 2014 #39
I had the opposite problem..... llmart Nov 2014 #72
half of Americans over 12 years drink, 7%!! of those are 'heavy drinkers'. Sunlei Nov 2014 #31
You want to ban public employees from being able to drink? Good thing you're not in charge. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #83
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #91
That's because they defined about one or two drinks a day as heavy drinking. pnwmom Nov 2014 #33
Everything in moderation sorefeet Nov 2014 #34
Including moderation Major Nikon Nov 2014 #45
+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #66
So he basically traded alcoholism for a tobacco addiction. Initech Nov 2014 #46
AA deals with alcoholism.. KinMd Nov 2014 #50
The problem is they keep redefining what that means. alarimer Nov 2014 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #77
12-step programs are just fronts for Bible-thumping. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #99
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Wanting to quit is the most important part for any addiction Major Nikon Nov 2014 #103
Which 12-step programs does the government support? cordelia Nov 2014 #105
A better question to ask is which 12-step programs does the government not support Major Nikon Nov 2014 #106
Thank you. cordelia Nov 2014 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #119
Not all are. cordelia Nov 2014 #104
It's hard to imagine how a 12 step program could not be Major Nikon Nov 2014 #112
Are you an addict? Do you know what true powerlessness over a substance really is? cordelia Nov 2014 #113
Many people also find relief in Scientology and other assorted cults Major Nikon Nov 2014 #116
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I can't help you there Major Nikon Nov 2014 #121
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It's still hell on the body. ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #40
my father could not UglyGreed Nov 2014 #44
Sorry about your Dad ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #94
When I lived in Chile, we drank beer or wine at every meal and there Cleita Nov 2014 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #80
Oh I never said there weren't bad drinkers. Demographics would demand it. Cleita Nov 2014 #86
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Continental Europeans have a healthy cultural relationship with alcohol. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #100
Exactly. That what I'm referring to especially the binge Cleita Nov 2014 #117
I'm your age and I drink wine every evening with dinner. Who the hell cares? CTyankee Nov 2014 #122
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Of course ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #93
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Duh! Ex-bartender here. I could have told you that without the study. Cleita Nov 2014 #58
Being an alcoholic is not about quantity but individual reaction to alcohol TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #69
Oh good to know that limiting myself to two 40s dilby Nov 2014 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #78
Eight or more drinks A WEEK?? Lil Missy Nov 2014 #71
Same here. Kath1 Nov 2014 #81
Disease of Addiction: An Expanded Overview elleng Nov 2014 #82
I guess I'm a heavy drinker. tavernier Nov 2014 #84
I tend to agree with the overall idea madville Nov 2014 #92
Ijus has afew medissinal nips! Droning Predator Nov 2014 #95
I have always been suspicious of these broad definitions of Alcholism. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #96
I remember sitting in those rooms and finding myself very happy to be an atheist. Iggo Nov 2014 #108
Duh. Iggo Nov 2014 #107
Top notch reply!!! N/T UglyGreed Nov 2014 #109
Obvious reply is obvious. Iggo Nov 2014 #115
From your point of view UglyGreed Nov 2014 #118
I drink OE and I don't go to work BubbaFett Nov 2014 #110
Thass RIGHT, gah dammit! leeroysphitz Nov 2014 #114
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