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Cleita

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86. Oh I never said there weren't bad drinkers. Demographics would demand it.

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 11:08 PM

Nov 2014

I knew a few myself, but the culture would seem by our standards to have a society of dysfunctional drunks, yet it wasn't so. Scientists should really try to come up with some empirical evidence because I find our prohibition style condemnations aren't helpful.

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Most heavy drinkers are not alcoholics, U.S. study finds [View all] UglyGreed Nov 2014 OP

Two questions... KansDem Nov 2014 #1

I don't UglyGreed Nov 2014 #2

I see your point... KansDem Nov 2014 #4

I go by UglyGreed Nov 2014 #10

My question is about the many Europeans who have always had wine with their meals. CTyankee Nov 2014 #5

I have a glass of wine with dinner every night JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #7

I toured a wine vineyard in the Bourgogne last month. They made Beaujolais. CTyankee Nov 2014 #8

Agreed! JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #9

excellent. How wonderful! I know that Italians have long cultivated their own backyard vineyards CTyankee Nov 2014 #13

reservastrol in red wine showing great anti-aging properties; don't know about liquor, beer zazen Nov 2014 #21

"a drink" here means 0.6 fl oz of pure alcohol - 12 oz beer, 5 oz wine or 1.5 oz spirits muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #17

I guess you and I are both heavy drinkers. I like a glass of wine appleannie1 Nov 2014 #30

If you're waking up... TeeYiYi Nov 2014 #73

"Malt does more than Milton can\To justify God's ways to man." ~Housman - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #89

doesnt matter - this is self-reported data and thus, baloney elehhhhna Nov 2014 #130

Let me add UglyGreed Nov 2014 #3

I think most of my drinking was 'fit in'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #6

Most of my drinking is because I love booze. AngryAmish Nov 2014 #11

+1 Go Vols Nov 2014 #41

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Amen, brother. landolfi Nov 2014 #88

I'm kind of in between. Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #123

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No, no, please continue! Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #126

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That's cool Green tea has lots of health benefits. Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #128

Peer pressure UglyGreed Nov 2014 #12

I think it's a problem if your loved ones have asked you to stop and you can't. Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #14

Indeed also if your UglyGreed Nov 2014 #15

That too! Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #16

So seriously, what's the test they can do to see if you drink to much? a kennedy Nov 2014 #76

Liver function. But by then it's too late. DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #85

The test is can you stop when you want to. landolfi Nov 2014 #90

You and uglygreed nailed defining elements from my family experience loyalsister Nov 2014 #20

I'm so sorry for what you have gone through! Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #25

I understand your pain UglyGreed Nov 2014 #35

Thanks loyalsister Nov 2014 #65

I wish I could ask my dad to stop laundry_queen Nov 2014 #63

Hugs and no words Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #87

I drank for 30 years madokie Nov 2014 #18

Schnapps is what my father called his Vodka. UglyGreed Nov 2014 #36

I drank beer, too much beer sorefeet Nov 2014 #19

That's quie a story, sorefeet. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #24

Yes you were self medicating UglyGreed Nov 2014 #42

I enjoy a glass of red wine or two at dinner or in the evening most nights FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #22

Constant ever present in my home growing exboyfil Nov 2014 #23

Lots of people in the US freak out over drinking and think all drinking is bad Major Nikon Nov 2014 #26

People freak out about chronic pain sufferers UglyGreed Nov 2014 #37

I haven't seen anyone freak out over that Major Nikon Nov 2014 #43

I live UglyGreed Nov 2014 #47

Let me add how many DWI UglyGreed Nov 2014 #48

DWI is a very dangerous thing, do you think they should let everyone do it? bettyellen Nov 2014 #49

Well if you look UglyGreed Nov 2014 #51

I was just reading something about how DWI laws are not popular with the general public, and that bettyellen Nov 2014 #54

I did not condone DWI UglyGreed Nov 2014 #56

I got that, yes. I'd just never read of it being a big money maker. bettyellen Nov 2014 #57

Ok I just wanted to make that UglyGreed Nov 2014 #61

of course- and thanks for doing so! bettyellen Nov 2014 #64

tough DWI laws save lives KinMd Nov 2014 #52

Please read the thread N/T UglyGreed Nov 2014 #53

My bad KinMd Nov 2014 #59

That's ok I do it all the time UglyGreed Nov 2014 #62

My reply to other person who decide I want people to drive drunk UglyGreed Nov 2014 #55

And most of them never actually hurt anyone. alarimer Nov 2014 #67

I agree I don't think arresting those who have an addiction UglyGreed Nov 2014 #101

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I'm a recovering drunk KinMd Nov 2014 #27

Thread winner!!!! UglyGreed Nov 2014 #38

I've never seen alcohol do anyone any good Johonny Nov 2014 #28

You can say that about smoking, desserts, overeating, etc. nt Logical Nov 2014 #32

I am kind in your boat rurallib Nov 2014 #129

how about 10 or 15 a NIGHT? BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #29

So sorry UglyGreed Nov 2014 #39

I had the opposite problem..... llmart Nov 2014 #72

half of Americans over 12 years drink, 7%!! of those are 'heavy drinkers'. Sunlei Nov 2014 #31

You want to ban public employees from being able to drink? Good thing you're not in charge. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #83

+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #91

That's because they defined about one or two drinks a day as heavy drinking. pnwmom Nov 2014 #33

Everything in moderation sorefeet Nov 2014 #34

Including moderation Major Nikon Nov 2014 #45

+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #66

So he basically traded alcoholism for a tobacco addiction. Initech Nov 2014 #46

AA deals with alcoholism.. KinMd Nov 2014 #50

The problem is they keep redefining what that means. alarimer Nov 2014 #68

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12-step programs are just fronts for Bible-thumping. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #99

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Wanting to quit is the most important part for any addiction Major Nikon Nov 2014 #103

Which 12-step programs does the government support? cordelia Nov 2014 #105

A better question to ask is which 12-step programs does the government not support Major Nikon Nov 2014 #106

Thank you. cordelia Nov 2014 #111

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Not all are. cordelia Nov 2014 #104

It's hard to imagine how a 12 step program could not be Major Nikon Nov 2014 #112

Are you an addict? Do you know what true powerlessness over a substance really is? cordelia Nov 2014 #113

Many people also find relief in Scientology and other assorted cults Major Nikon Nov 2014 #116

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I can't help you there Major Nikon Nov 2014 #121

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It's still hell on the body. ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #40

my father could not UglyGreed Nov 2014 #44

Sorry about your Dad ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #94

When I lived in Chile, we drank beer or wine at every meal and there Cleita Nov 2014 #60

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Oh I never said there weren't bad drinkers. Demographics would demand it. Cleita Nov 2014 #86

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Continental Europeans have a healthy cultural relationship with alcohol. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #100

Exactly. That what I'm referring to especially the binge Cleita Nov 2014 #117

I'm your age and I drink wine every evening with dinner. Who the hell cares? CTyankee Nov 2014 #122

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Of course ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #93

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Duh! Ex-bartender here. I could have told you that without the study. Cleita Nov 2014 #58

Being an alcoholic is not about quantity but individual reaction to alcohol TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #69

Oh good to know that limiting myself to two 40s dilby Nov 2014 #70

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Eight or more drinks A WEEK?? Lil Missy Nov 2014 #71

Same here. Kath1 Nov 2014 #81

Disease of Addiction: An Expanded Overview elleng Nov 2014 #82

I guess I'm a heavy drinker. tavernier Nov 2014 #84

I tend to agree with the overall idea madville Nov 2014 #92

Ijus has afew medissinal nips! Droning Predator Nov 2014 #95

I have always been suspicious of these broad definitions of Alcholism. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #96

I remember sitting in those rooms and finding myself very happy to be an atheist. Iggo Nov 2014 #108

Duh. Iggo Nov 2014 #107

Top notch reply!!! N/T UglyGreed Nov 2014 #109

Obvious reply is obvious. Iggo Nov 2014 #115

From your point of view UglyGreed Nov 2014 #118

I drink OE and I don't go to work BubbaFett Nov 2014 #110

Thass RIGHT, gah dammit! leeroysphitz Nov 2014 #114