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58. Did you believe Paula Jones, Kathleen Wiley who was a Democrat and had no political motive

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 01:22 AM

Nov 2014

and it's hard to believe anyone could forget Juanita Broderick, who, as far as I know, was not political? We have HER 'testimony' and Kathleen Wiley's 'testimony' and we have other 'witnesses' who knew Clinton.

I take it you are saying that those women had political motives (what was Kathleen Wiley's political motive, she was a Clinton supporter?) and are not to be believed?

People have all kinds of motives, some feel they have been rejected by a famous person and resent it. Some want money, and as I understand it, one of them already received money.

They can file civil suits, so why haven't they? If the truth is what they are interested in. A Civil Suit would allow them to present their evidence.

What you call 'evidence' is legally called 'hearsay'. So no, we have nothing until people are under oath in a court of law, Civil or Criminal.

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Cosby - Count is up to 16 [View all] LiberalElite Nov 2014 OP

I'm sure she just wants a quick payout, after all, she is of questionable moral character. Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #1

State a most reasonable and obvious argument against your position rock Nov 2014 #10

I'm not understanding Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #12

Sorry, my fault for being so obscure rock Nov 2014 #17

Really? Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #30

One woman might make a false allegation against a famous person. But 16??? nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #117

I found it interesting that Cosby siad he only gave someone Benadryl. djean111 Nov 2014 #2

Aren't we hearing more than once FLyellowdog Nov 2014 #32

Sad when a greatly admired person falls off the pedestal. redwitch Nov 2014 #3

I feel like we've fallen down a wormhole from which there is no escape. Initech Nov 2014 #4

FWIW, I have not admired this guy for years. Projection !!! BlueStreak Nov 2014 #66

I grew up watching "Fat Albert" and loved that show deutsey Nov 2014 #77

But now we know it was not benign. it was projection. BlueStreak Nov 2014 #94

I started to dislike Cosby in the late 80's and 90's Maedhros Nov 2014 #107

I just thought he was an out-of-touch old rich guy, assuming others were equally unaffected nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #118

They're only picking on him because he's African-American, Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #5

How many of Kerry's swift boaters weren't lying? rock Nov 2014 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #8

To each his own rock Nov 2014 #15

and there is evidence. it's called testimony. cali Nov 2014 #19

cali! I'm really surprised at you; where's your level head? rock Nov 2014 #26

So you pretty much think all rape victims are liars then. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #71

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #73

I suggest you adopt an approach to prosecution geek tragedy Nov 2014 #74

what mercuryblues Nov 2014 #72

I don't like sanctimonious moralizers. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #22

These women have nothing to gain and they're not pushing a political point of view. n/t pnwmom Nov 2014 #43

+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #119

Did you believe all the women who accused Clinton of rape? Bring it court, present evidence, then sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #9

No there wasn't just one woman. But you didn't say if you believed that one woman? Why should it sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #21

You don't remember Juanita Broderick, the rape accuser, Kathleen Wiley, Paula Jones who settled out sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #41

There is never going to be a trial because of the statute of limitations. pnwmom Nov 2014 #44

Who needs trials and juries and evidence? And what 'testimony' are we going to hear? Will it be sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #56

Those women were all caught up in a political campaign, which puts their credibility at question. pnwmom Nov 2014 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #61

Thankfully we don't convict people on gut feelings, well at least not formally. There were plenty sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #76

you're suggesting women who were drugged and rape "handle it". Gotcha. No thanks. bettyellen Nov 2014 #80

And there it is, my point clearly made. Thank you. Let's do a little experiment here. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #85

if you were not equating drugging and raping someone with "boorish behavior" then why the heck did bettyellen Nov 2014 #88

My point made even more strongly: 'Inference' V 'facts' is all that is required to convict someone. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #89

so your post about "boorish behavior" had nothing to do with Cosby rape allegations? LOL bettyellen Nov 2014 #90

Thank you for your assistance in my little experiment. Avoid, distract, do anything, but do not sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #91

yes- refusing to explain that nonsense you posted about "boorish behavior" is avoiding, bettyellen Nov 2014 #92

I remember all of them Major Nikon Nov 2014 #93

I see you are making excuses for not believing those women. Broderick accused Clinton of rape sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #95

If you consider facts "excuses", then you might have something Major Nikon Nov 2014 #99

Did you believe her? I saw all this long ago and did not believe her regardless of those sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #103

Here's the interesting part... Major Nikon Nov 2014 #105

Have any of these women been placed under oath yet? The core issue is the same. You provided me sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #106

I think Kathleen Wiley had mental issues. louis-t Nov 2014 #104

Geez, guess your kids or friends are shit out of luck for moral support freeplessinseattle Nov 2014 #37

Exactly what do you mean by that? Do you know any of the people involved in this? I don't. I don't sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #40

If you go to the police, they would be more supportive and realistic freeplessinseattle Nov 2014 #42

I know, right? cwydro Nov 2014 #86

and the Clinton stuff all involved political enemies JI7 Nov 2014 #34

I don't recall anyone accusing Clinton of rape. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #14

He absolutely was accused of rape, by a woman named Juanita Broderick eg. Thirty years earlier. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #35

The courts held that George Zimmerman is NOT GUILTY. Do you believe that's the definitive word, pnwmom Nov 2014 #45

And just because you are willing to convict someone without a shred of evidence you don't get to sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #48

Without a shred of evidence? Are you kidding? pnwmom Nov 2014 #52

Did you believe Paula Jones, Kathleen Wiley who was a Democrat and had no political motive sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #58

Paula Jones didn't claim she was raped, did she? Or claim Clinton gave her drugs? pnwmom Nov 2014 #62

I never said other people "have no right to wait for something other than mere allegations." pnwmom Nov 2014 #55

women have come forth to press charges. one case was settled out of court cali Nov 2014 #20

Why would a woman who was sexually assaulted settle out of court, presumably for money? If I sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #36

Not every woman is you. Lots of people who have been damaged by someone do take pnwmom Nov 2014 #46

Not every woman is you either. Some prefer justice to money. And any prosecutor who 'believes' a sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #50

Then by your measure almost all prosecutors should resign. pnwmom Nov 2014 #54

They don't go to trial based on 'belief' because they know that their 'belief' will be sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #59

And by her measure, drugging and raping is somehow related to "boorish behavior" a person should bettyellen Nov 2014 #114

That's easier said than done, sabrina KMOD Nov 2014 #49

Prosecutions are never easy. Justice isn't always guaranteed. I know that from sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #53

There was one willing to go to court KMOD Nov 2014 #60

The prosecutor you are referring to was interviewed within the last few days davidpdx Nov 2014 #67

Did you believe Juanita Broderick's rape allegations from decades ago against Clinton? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #75

I'm not talking about anything to do with Clinton, I'm referring to one of Cosby's victims davidpdx Nov 2014 #109

Can you provide something that substantiates this allegation? Some evidence? What I have seen so sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #110

No, of course not davidpdx Nov 2014 #111

Sadly if most of his victims were African American, this story would probably have no traction Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #13

I don't know the racial make-up of "most of his victims" Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #16

You mean like the no traction for last 40 years lol maced666 Nov 2014 #97

I wonder why you are so hostile? Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #98

It's entirely possible gollygee Nov 2014 #23

And it's all just another way of Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #24

Why? gollygee Nov 2014 #25

I don't remember anyone "forgiven" for rape. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #27

I'm not in any way an apologist gollygee Nov 2014 #28

gollygee isn't an apologist. n/t pnwmom Nov 2014 #47

except the media seems to have glossed over coverage of KMOD Nov 2014 #51

I don't think any of them, regardless of their race, should be let off easy. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #64

I agree n/t gollygee Nov 2014 #68

I'll say it again: Cosby has always given me the creeps. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #11

I agree with you there. polly7 Nov 2014 #70

Do you have a list of all 16? Wella Nov 2014 #29

Slate has a running list KMOD Nov 2014 #38

Thanks. Wella Nov 2014 #39

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #31

In Scottish Law they have something called The Moorov Doctrine CrawlingChaos Nov 2014 #33

we should have a system like this as well, I think. bettyellen Nov 2014 #115

No shit! I mean, COME ON... how many victims does it take before people cut the BULLSHIT? CrawlingChaos Nov 2014 #116

But....but....they are all lying and money hungry and making it all up. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #63

The statute of limitations have run out Beringia Nov 2014 #65

I hate public trials. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2014 #69

Yeah, I agree deutsey Nov 2014 #78

The name Clinton has been associated with rape 11 times by one individual in this thread. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #79

and it was one allegation, not 16- but they pretend it is exactly the same bettyellen Nov 2014 #82

They had no point to make. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #83

the point was, as always, that it is a man's world and women are here just to keep it sweet bettyellen Nov 2014 #84

I wish they all would've come out sooner and pressed charges so there could've been a trial instead craigmatic Nov 2014 #81

likely there was no useful physical evidence- any drugs or semen could be explained away bettyellen Nov 2014 #87

Bill Cosby, for a significant amount of time, was the most powerful entertainer in Hollywood. Maedhros Nov 2014 #108

Objective question here: Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #96

Some of them who ultimately didn't report, talked to friends about what happened Lex Nov 2014 #100

Right. But is there any official, written record of allegations before the 2004 suit? Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #101

Did you read the article? Lex Nov 2014 #102

Here you go... PCIntern Nov 2014 #112

Not saying he's innocent. Also, not forgetting how celebrities are easy targets. lindysalsagal Nov 2014 #113