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happyslug

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31. What do you mean by "economically"??
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 09:54 AM
Nov 2014

This process uses electricity produced by a Nuclear power source to produce fuel that is usable for aircraft (and other engines). The first presumption is that the Nuclear Plant is already in existence and the cost to building one has already been paid. i.e. this is electrical power NOT being used by is being produced. This is often called "Base Load" electricity, that is what is in constant demand, as oppose to "Peak Load" Electrical demand, which is electricity needed to meet demand during periods of high demand for electricity,

Now, "Base Load" is often above the true base point for electrical demand. This excess power is produced for it is hard to turn off nuclear plans (and coal, natural gas and oil plants also take time to be taken out and put back into service, Hydro is the quickest electrical power source that can be turn on and off).

The problem is everyone has "plans" for that excess power. Advocates of Electric calls see it as the electricity to charge their cars during the night when demand for power is less. Steel companies, and other manufacturers, do a lot of night work so they can get discounts from their high use of electrical power. Power companies are known to use the excess electrical power to pump water uphill so the electrical company can open up hydro power plants during peak time periods.

Thus there is NOT that much excess electrical power that is NOT being used at the present time. Nuclear Carriers may be the ONLY such source of such excess electrical power. Which means more power plants (Nuclear PLUS coal and Natural Gas) would have to be built to provide the power needed for this process.

Given that, would it NOT be more economical to have people live in more dense population cities and use public transportation? Yes, that is NOT the US of today (it was the US of period 1900-1950) but may it NOT be a better and more economical solution to reduced access to oil?

Sorry, (and I am ignoring Global Warming, another reason to avoid this "solution" to the high price of oil) but is this a "good" solution to the problem of high oil prices? Would not a drop in demand caused by people using less oil be better?

Sorry, every time I research the details, the best solution is abandoning suburbia, something no one really want to talk about for that is where the switch voters between the parties live and where much of the money NOT tied in with the .1% live. Thus it is a taboo subject for most people do NOT want to make so radical an adjustment to where they want to live. Thus you get these "Pie in the Sky" solutions to saving suburbia for such gimmicks on their face preserve what these swing voters want which is suburbia. We will hear these pie in the sky plans over and over again over the next 20-50 years as the price of oil goes up, for as the price of oil goes up, the ability of people living, working and shopping in suburbia goes down. No one likes radical changes and whatever we do given the long term increase in the price of oil (Price of oil is expected to decline till 2017 then increase afterward) will lead to radical changes in how people live.

story is from April 12, 2014 10:59 am . Something sems riversedge Nov 2014 #1
Some answers I found myself: riversedge Nov 2014 #2
You do know "there ain't no free lunch"? TexasProgresive Nov 2014 #3
Nuclear, solar, wind, tide... DetlefK Nov 2014 #10
If it has a reactor, what the fuck does it need hydrocarbon fuel for? AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #70
Hrm... jeff47 Nov 2014 #40
That's not the point TexasProgresive Nov 2014 #43
It's for energy storage, not production jeff47 Nov 2014 #47
I get that, but TexasProgresive Nov 2014 #53
There is not a single answer. But generating fossil fuels from electricity jeff47 Nov 2014 #61
That's right... Blanks Nov 2014 #49
I don't believe the 92% efficiency- I'd have to see some real facts TexasProgresive Nov 2014 #51
I don't believe it either... Blanks Nov 2014 #55
Pulling CO2 out of the ocean isn't wise TransitJohn Nov 2014 #4
This is only relevant if this technology goes global. DetlefK Nov 2014 #11
As I understand it, you can't have carbonate rocks with... NeoGreen Nov 2014 #17
We're already putting far more CO2 into the oceans than this could pull out muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #29
That actually won't be a problem due to the rising concentration of CO2 worldwide, due to human AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #71
I don't follow you TransitJohn Nov 2014 #73
It went from 360 to 390 PPM in 10 years last decade. And this doesn't add to it. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #74
Oy vey. TransitJohn Nov 2014 #78
It puts it in a cycle, like the hydrological cycle. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #79
Look, I'm a geologist TransitJohn Nov 2014 #80
You say that as if over-saturating the oceans with CO2 doesn't have any consequences. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #81
Have fun! TransitJohn Nov 2014 #82
Ok! AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #83
Then Exxon and the other bastards are gonna charge you to truck sea water to your car. Hoppy Nov 2014 #5
Not reasonable in Nebraska. AllyCat Nov 2014 #18
Sea water pipelines newfie11 Nov 2014 #24
More energy in than out Android3.14 Nov 2014 #6
Found the video! Quackers Nov 2014 #7
That type of model engine runs on alcohol and possibly added nitromethane, not jet fuel or gasoline Fumesucker Nov 2014 #20
This is just too cool. Thanks for posting, I missed it when the news first broke. RiverLover Nov 2014 #8
Releasing the carbon that is sequestered in the ocean is a very bad idea BlueStreak Nov 2014 #26
Where do you think the CO2 in the ocean comes from? jeff47 Nov 2014 #41
What do you think the word "sequestered" means. BlueStreak Nov 2014 #45
Apparently, you don't know what sequestered means. jeff47 Nov 2014 #48
You have no idea what you are talking about BlueStreak Nov 2014 #65
Actually, I do. That's why I provided a link for you to read. jeff47 Nov 2014 #66
You don't understand the time scales BlueStreak Nov 2014 #76
:facepalm: jeff47 Nov 2014 #77
'Sequestered' carbon in the ocean water causes other mayhem. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #84
Yes and no BlueStreak Nov 2014 #85
That's true, and I think the earlier objections didn't mean 'greenhouse', specifically but some AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #86
Equilibrium in a year -- not a chance. BlueStreak Nov 2014 #87
It can't sequester it all. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #88
Yes, of course if we capture the carbon as it is burned BlueStreak Nov 2014 #89
Precisely. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #90
You're asking what I would prefer the Navy do? BlueStreak Nov 2014 #91
Addictinginfo is a crap website. cali Nov 2014 #9
It's a good website if you enjoy interesting news Bonx Nov 2014 #50
it uses more energy than it produces. nt magical thyme Nov 2014 #12
but it converts generic electricity to hydrocarbons Recursion Nov 2014 #14
The article says it's economical if . . . brush Nov 2014 #16
No, the process uses more energy than it produces in hydrocarbon form BlueStreak Nov 2014 #28
Nuclear energy is not free TexasProgresive Nov 2014 #33
Nuclear power is almost like solar in that the $$$ cost of the fuel isn't what makes it expensive. hunter Nov 2014 #46
The "solar plant" is not necessarily expensive at all. truedelphi Nov 2014 #56
It's meant to be a fuel source, not a power source Scootaloo Nov 2014 #52
You're right, it doesn't violate the fundamental laws of physics in any way. jeff47 Nov 2014 #63
Another one of those things madokie Nov 2014 #13
Here's a sensible analysis of the claim GliderGuider Nov 2014 #15
Well wouldn't land-based nuclear power plants near the shore . . . brush Nov 2014 #19
Economical compared to what? GliderGuider Nov 2014 #22
It would be cheaper for land transportation to use electricity from the nuclear plants muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #30
What do you mean by "economically"?? happyslug Nov 2014 #31
It solves the energy transport problem. jeff47 Nov 2014 #42
the ocean is a finite resource! ellennelle Nov 2014 #21
And coal is not? liberal N proud Nov 2014 #23
And water used in this process doesn't cease to exist. It goes right back into the hydrologic cycle AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #72
Wonder about by-products in this method. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #25
We. Are. Saved! Android3.14 Nov 2014 #27
I expect folks at DU to be a little more discerning in the news they consume srican69 Nov 2014 #32
Will these reports on it be "discerning" enough for you? RiverLover Nov 2014 #35
Not really. Gore1FL Nov 2014 #34
Total BS HoosierCowboy Nov 2014 #36
The US could build desalination plants like much of the rest of the world nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #58
Ummm ... no, it didn't. It found an expensive way to convert one form of energy to another. eppur_se_muova Nov 2014 #37
The question now is......... nevergiveup Nov 2014 #38
It's a start. James48 Nov 2014 #39
I don't think anything makes me more embarrassed for someone Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #44
If they've developed a way of reducing pH in areas where that's a problem... Blanks Nov 2014 #54
The new Fuel Cell Cars allow for all the driving anyone wants to do nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #57
It's a step in the right direction to be certain... Blanks Nov 2014 #62
Yes, this is mainly a way to make nuclear aircraft carriers more self-sufficient caraher Nov 2014 #59
Good point, and... Blanks Nov 2014 #64
The navy did not announce the end of big oil Progressive dog Nov 2014 #60
Better title: Navy finds way to turn nuclear power into jet fuel NickB79 Nov 2014 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Nov 2014 #68
Potentialy great ideas like this one... nikto Nov 2014 #69
Holy crap. Go Navy! lonestarnot Nov 2014 #75
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