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87. We need to demand that our Constitutional and Civil Rights be

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 02:39 PM

Nov 2014

totally protected. There should never be an issue about letting people vote on election day. Corporations should not be granted more rights then people. They should not have the right to collect tax breaks at the same time that they don't even pay taxes. There should be no question about generating campaign finance reform. No person or corporation should be allowed to buy their way to control our government and country. Why on earth should we allow Politicians, the 1%ers, and MIC to continually force us into war situations which only serve to put tax dollars into the coffers of the wealthy and the price of the members of the military. Our military should not exist to be chewed up and then spit out when they can no longer fight in never ending wars. Why should be be forced to fund an over bloated military (that fails to actually adequately take care of our veterans) while letting our infrastructure crumble? And the Patriot Act and NSA warrantless wiretaps that are now being turned on us? They are not about making us safer but in trying to safeguard the oligarchy from the masses.

There is no doubt that the US is in decline and I would not be the least bit surprised if they Oligarchy didn't end up destroying us in their attempts to keep control. At some point the rest of the planet may get fed up with the USA and unite against us.

We are a doomed society and country and I have accepted that fact because the masses will never come together and stand up for their rights.

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Theoretically, when a car is parked on someone's property (a hospital in this case) [View all] tavalon Nov 2014 OP

They did this at the hospital in the town where I work. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #1

Including the wording, about inside cars? tavalon Nov 2014 #2

I don't know the exact wording, but I do know that there is no smoking permitted in any cars Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #3

The wording conveyed by you says it involves the "use...inside of cars." Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #21

You shortened it, in an interesting way. tavalon Nov 2014 #73

I understand. I wanted to focus on their particular declaration concerning cars. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #76

That's really draconian. silverweb Nov 2014 #4

I am in the process of filing a grievance tavalon Nov 2014 #9

No, no, I didn't mean to confuse matters. silverweb Nov 2014 #11

If it's not in the contract? ReRe Nov 2014 #19

I am that person tavalon Nov 2014 #51

Have you contacted your superior in the Union? ReRe Nov 2014 #98

You need to calm down. avebury Nov 2014 #20

I guess dictating how other people live is OK so long as you approve of the outcome. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #23

Any person or business has the right, as the owner of a piece of property, avebury Nov 2014 #27

You were doing OK until you got to -- Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #44

I'm the union rep tavalon Nov 2014 #57

Actually, all of the hospitals in my town DO dictate that employees can't smoke. Fawke Em Nov 2014 #91

Hmmm. Do they hire diabetics? How about big drinkers? Any overweight doctors there? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #102

I get your point and agree. Fawke Em Nov 2014 #125

You have really extrapolated here. "Continually running outside..."? Shirking duty? Running? The WinkyDink Nov 2014 #101

I agree with you. Maybe there should be heavy fines for people that eat certain,, BlueJazz Nov 2014 #64

And there is that slippery slope again. tavalon Nov 2014 #74

Lack of sleep can lead to ailments. Do hospitals care about that in their staff? (No.) WinkyDink Nov 2014 #103

wow youre the boss here? who knew? elehhhhna Nov 2014 #24

No I am not. I belive in common sense and knowing avebury Nov 2014 #30

Wow! So you don't have an issue with yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #40

In the case of Hobby Lobby, that is a double edged sword. avebury Nov 2014 #45

"...one needs to know how to play the game and pick your battles." Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #67

Change does not occur overnight. You have to think long game. avebury Nov 2014 #75

So you've gone from "It's for your own good" to "destroy those not like us." Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #77

Answer me this - just how do YOU propose to turn things around? avebury Nov 2014 #83

You fear a totalitarian system overtaking you so your remedy is to become a totalitarian. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #84

We need to demand that our Constitutional and Civil Rights be avebury Nov 2014 #87

You wrote all that in a thread where you defend a corporation telling employees Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #89

+1 DrDan Nov 2014 #37

You and everyone missed the point tavalon Nov 2014 #54

Then when you talk to your hospital, the need to focus avebury Nov 2014 #60

You are right. tavalon Nov 2014 #66

By putting out that document, one might make an avebury Nov 2014 #79

The car is simply a mobile container that is resting on the hospital property. Ed Suspicious Nov 2014 #80

No, you are missing the point jberryhill Nov 2014 #90

Oh, and I am calm, lawyerlike calm, in fact. tavalon Nov 2014 #56

The poster sounded calm enough, so your reaction sounds patronizing. n/t pnwmom Nov 2014 #82

Ours does that too. Sends out edicts and waits for the union AllyCat Nov 2014 #43

This e-cig hysteria is so absurd. I'm not a smoker either Exultant Democracy Nov 2014 #5

It's not even vaporizing tobacco. silverweb Nov 2014 #7

Often the liquid has zero nicotine. Mariana Nov 2014 #93

Exactly! silverweb Nov 2014 #95

I don't want ecigs in bars either. They can use them outside like they do now. nt Logical Nov 2014 #119

I'm not sure LittleGirl Nov 2014 #6

I can't take it at all. I came out of a store yesterday and a guy was smoking Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #86

I have no idea, except that since the car is parked on their property that's why? nt silvershadow Nov 2014 #8

The car is your property, however Quackers Nov 2014 #10

The company I work for even states that we can't go to adjoining properties to smoke. WillowTree Nov 2014 #52

hey markbeilskyte Nov 2014 #12

If you're in the parking lot, you are on hospital property Scootaloo Nov 2014 #13

Not a question of property, but of use Android3.14 Nov 2014 #14

Here's another wrinkle: silverweb Nov 2014 #15

My e-cig looks enough like an ordinary pen Mariana Nov 2014 #94

That's funny about the pen mixup! silverweb Nov 2014 #97

Hospital in my town, they have to hang out at the corner like outcasts. 7962 Nov 2014 #16

Security won't enforce it...ours doesn't. ileus Nov 2014 #17

The issue is not whose property the car is, but the fact avebury Nov 2014 #18

Go back and read my OP tavalon Nov 2014 #61

the term "property" doesn't apply here. they're not claiming a property right. unblock Nov 2014 #22

I can't believe 35 years ago you could smoke yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #41

They aren't claiming the car as property. The parking lot is their property. gollygee Nov 2014 #25

my guess is they are overstepping their grounds... shallwechat Nov 2014 #26

Smoke does not stay inside a car. merrily Nov 2014 #38

Thank you for seeing the slippery slope that most have not been able to see here. tavalon Nov 2014 #62

They Did It Where I Work in January 2013 ProfessorGAC Nov 2014 #28

Does the Hospital own any vehicles? liberal N proud Nov 2014 #29

That's a stretch, I think.. tavalon Nov 2014 #63

Why, if they own vehicles, they can make it a requirement that you not smoke in their vehicles liberal N proud Nov 2014 #69

Yeah, that isn't what is being said here. But it may be just be very bad proofreading. tavalon Nov 2014 #71

one more small step heaven05 Nov 2014 #31

That is a very good point. blackspade Nov 2014 #32

tavalon Diclotican Nov 2014 #33

I suppose they can argue freedom fighter jh Nov 2014 #34

The issue regarding the woods might not really be as much an avebury Nov 2014 #36

Bellevue Washington has no forest tavalon Nov 2014 #49

I was responding to freedom fighter jh not you. nt avebury Nov 2014 #58

What you say makes sense freedom fighter jh Nov 2014 #122

Could they also be concerned about local avebury Nov 2014 #124

I think this pipi_k Nov 2014 #46

As a lifelong nonsmoker, freedom fighter jh Nov 2014 #123

The smoke doesn't stay inside the car. DamnYankeeInHouston Nov 2014 #35

Let smokers decide if they want to advocate for smoking in their cars or not. merrily Nov 2014 #39

Slippery slope tavalon Nov 2014 #47

It's pretty much SOP mockmonkey Nov 2014 #42

Met Life made that rule for their facilities about 25 years ago. WillowTree Nov 2014 #48

I see you guys have really caught on to the smoking issue without noticing. tavalon Nov 2014 #50

No Smoking H. Cromwell Nov 2014 #55

All true. Doesn't make it right. tavalon Nov 2014 #65

The car is not a protective bubble that carves out a rule-free zone inside it. Skinner Nov 2014 #68

Then they can pay for any damages incurred if my/their car is broken into. tavalon Nov 2014 #72

You are confusing two meanings of the word "property" jberryhill Nov 2014 #53

Best explanation yet! NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #81

I work at schools and they are now all tobacco free dsc Nov 2014 #59

Our company goes a step further. zipplewrath Nov 2014 #70

No, inside cars parked on their property is not theirs. elleng Nov 2014 #78

Although the inside of a car would not be considered the hospital's property Freddie Stubbs Nov 2014 #85

And where do those "rights" originate? Do you think they supersede the law? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #104

Which specific law are you talking about? Freddie Stubbs Dec 2014 #127

People who smoke reek of it all day long -- I can't imagine a medical professional Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #88

Not the topic. (I've never smoked, BTW.) WinkyDink Nov 2014 #105

Yes they mean that you cannot smoke in your cars. Our hospital did it too. Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #92

That sounds a tad apocryphal. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #106

Sorry. Been a nurse for 25 years and no reason to lie Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #110

Fine. But miscreant patients going to a store to smoke is not the topic. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #112

Yep. My hospital (RN here) is a state hospital, and no smoking on state property Heddi Nov 2014 #111

Thank you. I get so tired of the same pile on in this place.n/t Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #113

it's ridiculous. I think we've had discussions about this in the past Heddi Nov 2014 #115

Right?LOL Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #116

I'll never forget---total huge code on a guy Heddi Nov 2014 #117

LOL I just choked Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #118

Off to bed for me. Have a long day ahead Heddi Nov 2014 #120

You are doing great work! Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #121

just curious - is it a public or private hospital? nt ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #96

Interesting case, but I believe the concerns are little more than theoretical. branford Nov 2014 #99

Are you a Scorpio? Because we tend to advocate for principle. NO, your car is NOT hospital property! WinkyDink Nov 2014 #100

Well, "inside cars" will be hard to enforce Warpy Nov 2014 #107

Can't that line be interpreted as "Hospital owned cars"? napi21 Nov 2014 #108

They did this where I worked in 1995. MadrasT Nov 2014 #109

1) Reading further down, I see you're in Bellevue WA. I worked in Seattle Heddi Nov 2014 #114

I did not know that, had been thinking the same as you did. Rhiannon12866 Nov 2014 #126