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Major Nikon

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99. If you consider facts "excuses", then you might have something

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 02:46 PM

Nov 2014

"So, you are disbelieving her because she 'pursued him' AFTER the kiss took place. How do YOU know this?"

May 3, 1993

Willey: ``Dear Mr. President. The enclosed tie is named `President's shoes.' I couldn't think of another president I know who could do it better justice than you!

... I watched you at the press correspondents' dinner on Saturday evening - you were hilarious - at least you haven't lost your sense of humor! Thanks again for all your help - don't let the bastards get you down!''

Clinton (handwritten): ``Dear Kathleen. I love the tie. Thanks. ...

Best, Bill.''

July 21, 1993. Clinton's longtime friend and aide, Vince Foster, had just killed himself.

Willey: ``I'm so very sorry for your loss. I know that your deep faith will get you through this.''

Clinton (handwritten): ``Dear Kathleen. Thanks for your note about Vince and for your friendship. Best, Bill.''

Aug. 4, 1993

Willey: " ... regarding your possible vacationing in Colorado next week. ... I would be more than happy to assist your advance people with their arrangements.''

Clinton, in note to staff: ``Get me her Vail (Colo.) (number)''

Oct. 12, 1993:

Willey: ``I've just finished this book and thought that you'd enjoy it, if for no other reason than the fact that you just happen to be one of the characters! ...

Clinton (in typed reply): ``Thanks for your note and for giving me a copy of Jeffrey Archer's `Honor Among Thieves.''' (Jotted in the margin): ``Glad to see you at the ropeline. Thanks for your help.''

Nov. 22, 1993 (Seven days before the disputed meeting)

Willey: ``... I would very much like to have a few minutes of your time to discuss something of importance to me. ...''

Clinton, in note to staff: ``I'll see her next week.''

Dec. 20, 1993:

Willey: ``I just wanted to wish you a wonderful Christmas ... Thank you for the opportunity to work in this great house.

``After this bittersweet year, my first resolution for 1994 will be the pursuit of a meaningful job - I hope it will be here.''

No Clinton reply.

June 17, 1994:

Willey: ``... how caring and heartfelt your speech was on D-Day.

``While you have had many shining moments, that day was for me the proudest I have been that you are our president.''

Clinton to staff: ``Should send her a copy of speech.'' On a copy of speech, Clinton jots: ``To Kathleen Willey. With Thanks. Bill Clinton.''

Oct. 18, 1994

Willey: ``... I have invested almost three years with your campaign and administration and am not very willing to depart yet. I would like to be considered for an ambassadorship or a position in an embassy overseas. ...

``I don't need to remind you of my willingness to help you in any way that I can.''

No Clinton reply.

Nov. 11, 1994

Willey: ... ``Take heart in knowing that your number one fan thanks you every day for your help in saving her wonderful state.''

No Clinton reply.

Feb. 14, 1995

Willey: ``I would very much like to be considered for'' a position on the International Union for the Conservation of Nature.

Clinton to staff: ``Is this what Shelia Lawrence did? Can we do this for her?''

Dec. 5, 1995

Mrs. Willey: ``... while I am very much in need of employment, I think that the Clinton-Gore campaign needs me too. I am free to travel and work on your behalf for the next year. ... Fondly, Kathleen.''

Clinton (typed letter): ``... I'm glad to hear you've already met with (aides) regarding a job with the campaign. It sounds like you're on the right track. ...''

Nov. 13, 1996

Willey: ``Congratulations on your outstanding win on November 5th. How fortunate for us all that you will lead us into the 21st century. ...''

No Clinton reply.

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Cosby - Count is up to 16 [View all] LiberalElite Nov 2014 OP

I'm sure she just wants a quick payout, after all, she is of questionable moral character. Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #1

State a most reasonable and obvious argument against your position rock Nov 2014 #10

I'm not understanding Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #12

Sorry, my fault for being so obscure rock Nov 2014 #17

Really? Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #30

One woman might make a false allegation against a famous person. But 16??? nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #117

I found it interesting that Cosby siad he only gave someone Benadryl. djean111 Nov 2014 #2

Aren't we hearing more than once FLyellowdog Nov 2014 #32

Sad when a greatly admired person falls off the pedestal. redwitch Nov 2014 #3

I feel like we've fallen down a wormhole from which there is no escape. Initech Nov 2014 #4

FWIW, I have not admired this guy for years. Projection !!! BlueStreak Nov 2014 #66

I grew up watching "Fat Albert" and loved that show deutsey Nov 2014 #77

But now we know it was not benign. it was projection. BlueStreak Nov 2014 #94

I started to dislike Cosby in the late 80's and 90's Maedhros Nov 2014 #107

I just thought he was an out-of-touch old rich guy, assuming others were equally unaffected nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #118

They're only picking on him because he's African-American, Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #5

How many of Kerry's swift boaters weren't lying? rock Nov 2014 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #8

To each his own rock Nov 2014 #15

and there is evidence. it's called testimony. cali Nov 2014 #19

cali! I'm really surprised at you; where's your level head? rock Nov 2014 #26

So you pretty much think all rape victims are liars then. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #71

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #73

I suggest you adopt an approach to prosecution geek tragedy Nov 2014 #74

what mercuryblues Nov 2014 #72

I don't like sanctimonious moralizers. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #22

These women have nothing to gain and they're not pushing a political point of view. n/t pnwmom Nov 2014 #43

+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #119

Did you believe all the women who accused Clinton of rape? Bring it court, present evidence, then sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #9

No there wasn't just one woman. But you didn't say if you believed that one woman? Why should it sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #21

You don't remember Juanita Broderick, the rape accuser, Kathleen Wiley, Paula Jones who settled out sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #41

There is never going to be a trial because of the statute of limitations. pnwmom Nov 2014 #44

Who needs trials and juries and evidence? And what 'testimony' are we going to hear? Will it be sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #56

Those women were all caught up in a political campaign, which puts their credibility at question. pnwmom Nov 2014 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #61

Thankfully we don't convict people on gut feelings, well at least not formally. There were plenty sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #76

you're suggesting women who were drugged and rape "handle it". Gotcha. No thanks. bettyellen Nov 2014 #80

And there it is, my point clearly made. Thank you. Let's do a little experiment here. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #85

if you were not equating drugging and raping someone with "boorish behavior" then why the heck did bettyellen Nov 2014 #88

My point made even more strongly: 'Inference' V 'facts' is all that is required to convict someone. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #89

so your post about "boorish behavior" had nothing to do with Cosby rape allegations? LOL bettyellen Nov 2014 #90

Thank you for your assistance in my little experiment. Avoid, distract, do anything, but do not sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #91

yes- refusing to explain that nonsense you posted about "boorish behavior" is avoiding, bettyellen Nov 2014 #92

I remember all of them Major Nikon Nov 2014 #93

I see you are making excuses for not believing those women. Broderick accused Clinton of rape sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #95

If you consider facts "excuses", then you might have something Major Nikon Nov 2014 #99

Did you believe her? I saw all this long ago and did not believe her regardless of those sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #103

Here's the interesting part... Major Nikon Nov 2014 #105

Have any of these women been placed under oath yet? The core issue is the same. You provided me sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #106

I think Kathleen Wiley had mental issues. louis-t Nov 2014 #104

Geez, guess your kids or friends are shit out of luck for moral support freeplessinseattle Nov 2014 #37

Exactly what do you mean by that? Do you know any of the people involved in this? I don't. I don't sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #40

If you go to the police, they would be more supportive and realistic freeplessinseattle Nov 2014 #42

I know, right? cwydro Nov 2014 #86

and the Clinton stuff all involved political enemies JI7 Nov 2014 #34

I don't recall anyone accusing Clinton of rape. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #14

He absolutely was accused of rape, by a woman named Juanita Broderick eg. Thirty years earlier. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #35

The courts held that George Zimmerman is NOT GUILTY. Do you believe that's the definitive word, pnwmom Nov 2014 #45

And just because you are willing to convict someone without a shred of evidence you don't get to sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #48

Without a shred of evidence? Are you kidding? pnwmom Nov 2014 #52

Did you believe Paula Jones, Kathleen Wiley who was a Democrat and had no political motive sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #58

Paula Jones didn't claim she was raped, did she? Or claim Clinton gave her drugs? pnwmom Nov 2014 #62

I never said other people "have no right to wait for something other than mere allegations." pnwmom Nov 2014 #55

women have come forth to press charges. one case was settled out of court cali Nov 2014 #20

Why would a woman who was sexually assaulted settle out of court, presumably for money? If I sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #36

Not every woman is you. Lots of people who have been damaged by someone do take pnwmom Nov 2014 #46

Not every woman is you either. Some prefer justice to money. And any prosecutor who 'believes' a sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #50

Then by your measure almost all prosecutors should resign. pnwmom Nov 2014 #54

They don't go to trial based on 'belief' because they know that their 'belief' will be sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #59

And by her measure, drugging and raping is somehow related to "boorish behavior" a person should bettyellen Nov 2014 #114

That's easier said than done, sabrina KMOD Nov 2014 #49

Prosecutions are never easy. Justice isn't always guaranteed. I know that from sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #53

There was one willing to go to court KMOD Nov 2014 #60

The prosecutor you are referring to was interviewed within the last few days davidpdx Nov 2014 #67

Did you believe Juanita Broderick's rape allegations from decades ago against Clinton? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #75

I'm not talking about anything to do with Clinton, I'm referring to one of Cosby's victims davidpdx Nov 2014 #109

Can you provide something that substantiates this allegation? Some evidence? What I have seen so sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #110

No, of course not davidpdx Nov 2014 #111

Sadly if most of his victims were African American, this story would probably have no traction Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #13

I don't know the racial make-up of "most of his victims" Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #16

You mean like the no traction for last 40 years lol maced666 Nov 2014 #97

I wonder why you are so hostile? Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #98

It's entirely possible gollygee Nov 2014 #23

And it's all just another way of Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #24

Why? gollygee Nov 2014 #25

I don't remember anyone "forgiven" for rape. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #27

I'm not in any way an apologist gollygee Nov 2014 #28

gollygee isn't an apologist. n/t pnwmom Nov 2014 #47

except the media seems to have glossed over coverage of KMOD Nov 2014 #51

I don't think any of them, regardless of their race, should be let off easy. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #64

I agree n/t gollygee Nov 2014 #68

I'll say it again: Cosby has always given me the creeps. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #11

I agree with you there. polly7 Nov 2014 #70

Do you have a list of all 16? Wella Nov 2014 #29

Slate has a running list KMOD Nov 2014 #38

Thanks. Wella Nov 2014 #39

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #31

In Scottish Law they have something called The Moorov Doctrine CrawlingChaos Nov 2014 #33

we should have a system like this as well, I think. bettyellen Nov 2014 #115

No shit! I mean, COME ON... how many victims does it take before people cut the BULLSHIT? CrawlingChaos Nov 2014 #116

But....but....they are all lying and money hungry and making it all up. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #63

The statute of limitations have run out Beringia Nov 2014 #65

I hate public trials. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2014 #69

Yeah, I agree deutsey Nov 2014 #78

The name Clinton has been associated with rape 11 times by one individual in this thread. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #79

and it was one allegation, not 16- but they pretend it is exactly the same bettyellen Nov 2014 #82

They had no point to make. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #83

the point was, as always, that it is a man's world and women are here just to keep it sweet bettyellen Nov 2014 #84

I wish they all would've come out sooner and pressed charges so there could've been a trial instead craigmatic Nov 2014 #81

likely there was no useful physical evidence- any drugs or semen could be explained away bettyellen Nov 2014 #87

Bill Cosby, for a significant amount of time, was the most powerful entertainer in Hollywood. Maedhros Nov 2014 #108

Objective question here: Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #96

Some of them who ultimately didn't report, talked to friends about what happened Lex Nov 2014 #100

Right. But is there any official, written record of allegations before the 2004 suit? Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #101

Did you read the article? Lex Nov 2014 #102

Here you go... PCIntern Nov 2014 #112

Not saying he's innocent. Also, not forgetting how celebrities are easy targets. lindysalsagal Nov 2014 #113