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silverweb

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97. That's funny about the pen mixup!

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 07:56 PM

Nov 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'm using rechargeable Blu at the moment because I'm pretty new at vaping and have been researching what's available. Blu has enough options for now and is a fairly inexpensive way to give vaping a try; just have to order flavor cartridges on line to get full selection and can't refill them.

Since I really do prefer the cigarette-like mini vapes, I've settled on the Joyetech e-Roll in black. Blu is fine for now, but I like the 3-chamber, self-fill design better (and it's much cheaper to use after initial setup costs). The Joyetech will be my after-Christmas gift to myself!

And yes... banning e-cigs is fucking stupid! Considering the harm-reduction aspect of switching from smoking tobacco to vaping should be enough reason all by itself to support and encourage the switch for smokers!

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Theoretically, when a car is parked on someone's property (a hospital in this case) [View all] tavalon Nov 2014 OP

They did this at the hospital in the town where I work. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #1

Including the wording, about inside cars? tavalon Nov 2014 #2

I don't know the exact wording, but I do know that there is no smoking permitted in any cars Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #3

The wording conveyed by you says it involves the "use...inside of cars." Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #21

You shortened it, in an interesting way. tavalon Nov 2014 #73

I understand. I wanted to focus on their particular declaration concerning cars. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #76

That's really draconian. silverweb Nov 2014 #4

I am in the process of filing a grievance tavalon Nov 2014 #9

No, no, I didn't mean to confuse matters. silverweb Nov 2014 #11

If it's not in the contract? ReRe Nov 2014 #19

I am that person tavalon Nov 2014 #51

Have you contacted your superior in the Union? ReRe Nov 2014 #98

You need to calm down. avebury Nov 2014 #20

I guess dictating how other people live is OK so long as you approve of the outcome. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #23

Any person or business has the right, as the owner of a piece of property, avebury Nov 2014 #27

You were doing OK until you got to -- Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #44

I'm the union rep tavalon Nov 2014 #57

Actually, all of the hospitals in my town DO dictate that employees can't smoke. Fawke Em Nov 2014 #91

Hmmm. Do they hire diabetics? How about big drinkers? Any overweight doctors there? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #102

I get your point and agree. Fawke Em Nov 2014 #125

You have really extrapolated here. "Continually running outside..."? Shirking duty? Running? The WinkyDink Nov 2014 #101

I agree with you. Maybe there should be heavy fines for people that eat certain,, BlueJazz Nov 2014 #64

And there is that slippery slope again. tavalon Nov 2014 #74

Lack of sleep can lead to ailments. Do hospitals care about that in their staff? (No.) WinkyDink Nov 2014 #103

wow youre the boss here? who knew? elehhhhna Nov 2014 #24

No I am not. I belive in common sense and knowing avebury Nov 2014 #30

Wow! So you don't have an issue with yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #40

In the case of Hobby Lobby, that is a double edged sword. avebury Nov 2014 #45

"...one needs to know how to play the game and pick your battles." Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #67

Change does not occur overnight. You have to think long game. avebury Nov 2014 #75

So you've gone from "It's for your own good" to "destroy those not like us." Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #77

Answer me this - just how do YOU propose to turn things around? avebury Nov 2014 #83

You fear a totalitarian system overtaking you so your remedy is to become a totalitarian. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #84

We need to demand that our Constitutional and Civil Rights be avebury Nov 2014 #87

You wrote all that in a thread where you defend a corporation telling employees Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #89

+1 DrDan Nov 2014 #37

You and everyone missed the point tavalon Nov 2014 #54

Then when you talk to your hospital, the need to focus avebury Nov 2014 #60

You are right. tavalon Nov 2014 #66

By putting out that document, one might make an avebury Nov 2014 #79

The car is simply a mobile container that is resting on the hospital property. Ed Suspicious Nov 2014 #80

No, you are missing the point jberryhill Nov 2014 #90

Oh, and I am calm, lawyerlike calm, in fact. tavalon Nov 2014 #56

The poster sounded calm enough, so your reaction sounds patronizing. n/t pnwmom Nov 2014 #82

Ours does that too. Sends out edicts and waits for the union AllyCat Nov 2014 #43

This e-cig hysteria is so absurd. I'm not a smoker either Exultant Democracy Nov 2014 #5

It's not even vaporizing tobacco. silverweb Nov 2014 #7

Often the liquid has zero nicotine. Mariana Nov 2014 #93

Exactly! silverweb Nov 2014 #95

I don't want ecigs in bars either. They can use them outside like they do now. nt Logical Nov 2014 #119

I'm not sure LittleGirl Nov 2014 #6

I can't take it at all. I came out of a store yesterday and a guy was smoking Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #86

I have no idea, except that since the car is parked on their property that's why? nt silvershadow Nov 2014 #8

The car is your property, however Quackers Nov 2014 #10

The company I work for even states that we can't go to adjoining properties to smoke. WillowTree Nov 2014 #52

hey markbeilskyte Nov 2014 #12

If you're in the parking lot, you are on hospital property Scootaloo Nov 2014 #13

Not a question of property, but of use Android3.14 Nov 2014 #14

Here's another wrinkle: silverweb Nov 2014 #15

My e-cig looks enough like an ordinary pen Mariana Nov 2014 #94

That's funny about the pen mixup! silverweb Nov 2014 #97

Hospital in my town, they have to hang out at the corner like outcasts. 7962 Nov 2014 #16

Security won't enforce it...ours doesn't. ileus Nov 2014 #17

The issue is not whose property the car is, but the fact avebury Nov 2014 #18

Go back and read my OP tavalon Nov 2014 #61

the term "property" doesn't apply here. they're not claiming a property right. unblock Nov 2014 #22

I can't believe 35 years ago you could smoke yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #41

They aren't claiming the car as property. The parking lot is their property. gollygee Nov 2014 #25

my guess is they are overstepping their grounds... shallwechat Nov 2014 #26

Smoke does not stay inside a car. merrily Nov 2014 #38

Thank you for seeing the slippery slope that most have not been able to see here. tavalon Nov 2014 #62

They Did It Where I Work in January 2013 ProfessorGAC Nov 2014 #28

Does the Hospital own any vehicles? liberal N proud Nov 2014 #29

That's a stretch, I think.. tavalon Nov 2014 #63

Why, if they own vehicles, they can make it a requirement that you not smoke in their vehicles liberal N proud Nov 2014 #69

Yeah, that isn't what is being said here. But it may be just be very bad proofreading. tavalon Nov 2014 #71

one more small step heaven05 Nov 2014 #31

That is a very good point. blackspade Nov 2014 #32

tavalon Diclotican Nov 2014 #33

I suppose they can argue freedom fighter jh Nov 2014 #34

The issue regarding the woods might not really be as much an avebury Nov 2014 #36

Bellevue Washington has no forest tavalon Nov 2014 #49

I was responding to freedom fighter jh not you. nt avebury Nov 2014 #58

What you say makes sense freedom fighter jh Nov 2014 #122

Could they also be concerned about local avebury Nov 2014 #124

I think this pipi_k Nov 2014 #46

As a lifelong nonsmoker, freedom fighter jh Nov 2014 #123

The smoke doesn't stay inside the car. DamnYankeeInHouston Nov 2014 #35

Let smokers decide if they want to advocate for smoking in their cars or not. merrily Nov 2014 #39

Slippery slope tavalon Nov 2014 #47

It's pretty much SOP mockmonkey Nov 2014 #42

Met Life made that rule for their facilities about 25 years ago. WillowTree Nov 2014 #48

I see you guys have really caught on to the smoking issue without noticing. tavalon Nov 2014 #50

No Smoking H. Cromwell Nov 2014 #55

All true. Doesn't make it right. tavalon Nov 2014 #65

The car is not a protective bubble that carves out a rule-free zone inside it. Skinner Nov 2014 #68

Then they can pay for any damages incurred if my/their car is broken into. tavalon Nov 2014 #72

You are confusing two meanings of the word "property" jberryhill Nov 2014 #53

Best explanation yet! NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #81

I work at schools and they are now all tobacco free dsc Nov 2014 #59

Our company goes a step further. zipplewrath Nov 2014 #70

No, inside cars parked on their property is not theirs. elleng Nov 2014 #78

Although the inside of a car would not be considered the hospital's property Freddie Stubbs Nov 2014 #85

And where do those "rights" originate? Do you think they supersede the law? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #104

Which specific law are you talking about? Freddie Stubbs Dec 2014 #127

People who smoke reek of it all day long -- I can't imagine a medical professional Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #88

Not the topic. (I've never smoked, BTW.) WinkyDink Nov 2014 #105

Yes they mean that you cannot smoke in your cars. Our hospital did it too. Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #92

That sounds a tad apocryphal. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #106

Sorry. Been a nurse for 25 years and no reason to lie Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #110

Fine. But miscreant patients going to a store to smoke is not the topic. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #112

Yep. My hospital (RN here) is a state hospital, and no smoking on state property Heddi Nov 2014 #111

Thank you. I get so tired of the same pile on in this place.n/t Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #113

it's ridiculous. I think we've had discussions about this in the past Heddi Nov 2014 #115

Right?LOL Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #116

I'll never forget---total huge code on a guy Heddi Nov 2014 #117

LOL I just choked Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #118

Off to bed for me. Have a long day ahead Heddi Nov 2014 #120

You are doing great work! Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #121

just curious - is it a public or private hospital? nt ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #96

Interesting case, but I believe the concerns are little more than theoretical. branford Nov 2014 #99

Are you a Scorpio? Because we tend to advocate for principle. NO, your car is NOT hospital property! WinkyDink Nov 2014 #100

Well, "inside cars" will be hard to enforce Warpy Nov 2014 #107

Can't that line be interpreted as "Hospital owned cars"? napi21 Nov 2014 #108

They did this where I worked in 1995. MadrasT Nov 2014 #109

1) Reading further down, I see you're in Bellevue WA. I worked in Seattle Heddi Nov 2014 #114

I did not know that, had been thinking the same as you did. Rhiannon12866 Nov 2014 #126