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PatrickforO

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98. It's what the establishment always does when confronted with

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 08:20 PM

Nov 2014

mass demonstrations where there are legitimate grievances. They engineer violence so that they can say violence against the demonstrators is justified. In the meantime, their pets in the media dutifully mouth words that describe the violence only, not the cause of the demonstrators.

That's how it works.

But on a cheerful note there's a lot of anger against the establishment, and the occupy protests have only been nascent. Now, the establishment is faced not only with that specter, but a whole new and revitalized civil rights movement. I saw that kid on MSNBC last night, and he made some really good points - he said that he and his friends are tired of being stopped by police because of their skin color, and that the shootings by police had to stop. You know, all these kids want is the civil rights that we white people have enjoyed for many years.

They don't want to have to worry about getting shot for nothing. Their parents don't want to have to worry about their kid going to the store to buy some candy and never coming back because some clown decided they didn't belong in the neighborhood.

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Ferguson police PLANNED night riots, used incendiaries, lit fires and kept them going, all for show. [View all] NYC_SKP Nov 2014 OP

I saw the fires burning and kept wondering.... steve2470 Nov 2014 #1

By most accounts there were at least 25 + structure fires... Historic NY Nov 2014 #45

Cops Lied billhicks76 Nov 2014 #56

One hell of a lot of something was in that car, more than would typically be in a police cruiser. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #104

Maybe flashbangs and tear gas dumbcat Nov 2014 #111

Could be. Pretty negligent (or convenient) if these were left in a police vehicle like that. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #115

Those police cruisers appeared to me to be staged, Clint0n Nov 2014 #114

I imagine that now is a good time for some failing business in Ferguson to suffer an unfortunate notadmblnd Nov 2014 #89

The timing was certainly suspect frazzled Nov 2014 #2

I said the same thing! They clearly wanted what they got. Everything from the No Bill, to the Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #48

No, our country is not "lost" frazzled Nov 2014 #53

There is one way in which Ferguson MO does represent the whole of the country. Police shootings jwirr Nov 2014 #54

And those they cannot yet bring themselves to shoot - truedelphi Nov 2014 #123

That is horrible. The institutions used to do that to disabled people and it is one of the reasons jwirr Nov 2014 #129

I have come to the same belief... Spazito Nov 2014 #3

"Beyond appalling" - I could not put it more eloquently myself. The authorities should KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #5

From the killing of Michael Brown and EVERY step taken afterward was... Spazito Nov 2014 #12

no doubt what the police state did tonight PatrynXX Nov 2014 #43

Especially since there was no... ReRe Nov 2014 #55

There was a post last night, late in the night, that a no-fly order had been issued but... Spazito Nov 2014 #65

Yes, they did call a no-fly.... ReRe Nov 2014 #69

Ahhh, yes, now I get what you meant... Spazito Nov 2014 #70

i remember that, too. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #93

Wondering the same, especially the police car left sitting by itself with no one around, looked odd. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #4

The first car, especially, being left to burn got my attention. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #9

When I saw the car being rocked, I wondered why it was parked and left unattended. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #22

I also wondered how old that car was. I thought there was two cars - that one and another one jwirr Nov 2014 #57

I think the cars were soaked inside... ReRe Nov 2014 #58

Not only was that police car place there strategically, but then agents ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #11

I saw a stream of some fucks attacking a car Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #19

I was watching on The Last Word and the first "thing" was thrown by one man standing on the jwirr Nov 2014 #59

Michael Brown's stepfather at rally: 'Burn this bitch down!' LP2K12 Nov 2014 #75

Is this the same father who is calling for peaceful demonstrations? NYT is crazy if it is. jwirr Nov 2014 #82

That was my question. LP2K12 Nov 2014 #85

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^n/t truedelphi Nov 2014 #124

this is merika lonestarnot Nov 2014 #6

And the guard had been called up... yallerdawg Nov 2014 #7

We'll never know, but Ineeda Nov 2014 #30

And the mysterious... yallerdawg Nov 2014 #35

From the video 2naSalit Nov 2014 #105

The guard should have been used to protect those businesses. They could have stood in front of them jwirr Nov 2014 #61

Overtime $$$$$$ bahrbearian Nov 2014 #8

I seriously had not yuiyoshida Nov 2014 #10

Many of us have been here before - 1960s. jwirr Nov 2014 #62

Yes we have. WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2014 #101

For all the attention this has had, either sheer stupidity or deliberate grandstanding are evident. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #64

But SkP you know what they are gonna say.... yuiyoshida Nov 2014 #74

You're right, yuiyoshida. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #78

psssst... but but but... yuiyoshida Nov 2014 #80

Or stupidity. Stupidity would explain announcing MineralMan Nov 2014 #13

Yes, it was planned. They didn't spontaneously decide to announce after dark. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #16

I did not say it wasn't planned. I suggested that if it was, MineralMan Nov 2014 #17

At least one other person here besides myself TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #67

That was Rebl Nov 2014 #108

what a flash bang GRENADE does to a house PatrynXX Nov 2014 #46

I thought that it was strange that they kept putting it off until later. However, I remember Chris jwirr Nov 2014 #66

I have a friend who is a lawyer who works for the DOJ. We were chatting last night before Ecumenist Nov 2014 #127

I have to go along with stupid, along with incredibly naive and insular Retrograde Nov 2014 #60

The magicians old misdirection trick. Distract them with riots, an they won't talk as much about world wide wally Nov 2014 #14

I remember watching, and wondering why those fires were allowed to burn unabated. Avalux Nov 2014 #15

Is the Missouri national guard even trained for putting out structural fires? cstanleytech Nov 2014 #97

No the rioters did this. Agschmid Nov 2014 #18

you are right Agschmid SCantiGOP Nov 2014 #52

My Wife and I marched in Seattle, Mbrow Nov 2014 #20

Thank you. And, IIRC, nobody was ever investigated around these crimes. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #23

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #100

There is no way they would've announced TBF Nov 2014 #21

I don't know, is it better to shut your business for a day or have it burned to the ground? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #24

I agree with your OP TBF Nov 2014 #26

LOL sure! maced666 Nov 2014 #25

That first cop car that was burning... logosoco Nov 2014 #27

I cannot be the only one who SAW the guy spraying the car with lighter fluid... Moostache Nov 2014 #33

I saw the guy spraying the car too. It was arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #83

All the world is a stage zeemike Nov 2014 #28

I heard an interview on BBC4 radio TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #29

Reminds me of a few slogans... Moostache Nov 2014 #31

L.Odonnel said he heard Wilson Gin Nov 2014 #32

MIHOP or LIHOP? mwrguy Nov 2014 #34

Media leaks all day long provided time for media hype and for groups to come from miles away. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #36

LIHOP is left to chance. Definitely MIHOP. Their KKK wanted this. nt valerief Nov 2014 #40

I am not sure time of day changes anything yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #37

Absolutely correct. It's the St. Louis KKK Pyrotechnic Extravanga, months in the making. nt valerief Nov 2014 #38

It's a matter of perspective. justice1 Nov 2014 #39

LA population: 12,150,996 Ferguson population: 21,111 NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #42

These fascist parasites damnedifIknow Nov 2014 #41

as soon as I saw the time angrychair Nov 2014 #44

Welcome to police state America. Go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Initech Nov 2014 #47

Ask any of the tea heads why they have so many guns - for the coming race riots. LiberalArkie Nov 2014 #49

Urban Renewal PeoViejo Nov 2014 #50

Of course they did VA_Jill Nov 2014 #51

the attention is now on the aftermath KT2000 Nov 2014 #63

He is a smart man. If the attention stay on the so called "riot" there will be not change to the law jwirr Nov 2014 #72

Before the shit hit the fan, msnbc was reporting the air was filled.... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2014 #68

They did an excellent job of setting the stage and the expectations for a riot, fires, all of that. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #71

Leading protesters asked for 48 hours advanced notice TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #73

Also, police presence was very heavy in arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #76

And why were there police cars on the street? ybbor Nov 2014 #77

As Amy Goodman said earlier today - It looks as if they let Ferguson burn. jillan Nov 2014 #79

They very carefully wrapped up the Police Memorial monument. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #81

Also, note that night means less probality the cops would be filmed accosting small children. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #84

they know they can count on 1200 radio stations to spin it 'properly' certainot Nov 2014 #86

I saw cars burning for hours that could have been put out easily. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #87

I'm pretty sure it was pre planned larkrake Nov 2014 #88

I agree the police were involved in the timing, but do you really think they set all the fires? uppityperson Nov 2014 #90

My first thought was that they brought the fire-making devices into the neighborhood. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #95

Thanks, lihop seems very likely. uppityperson Nov 2014 #96

Watched the protest from the inside via live stream. Tear gas canisters were causing fires. n/t Darkhawk32 Nov 2014 #91

And they made sure the announcement was at primetime Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #92

There were very few people left when the fires started. Most of the protesters had gone home. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #94

It's what the establishment always does when confronted with PatrickforO Nov 2014 #98

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #99

Um, your point is that Mike Brown asked to be killed in cold blood, is that your point, goatmilker? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #103

Good point. blackspade Nov 2014 #102

K&R Joe Shlabotnik Nov 2014 #106

Strongly disagree cause I don' think the protesters are puppets. lexington filly Nov 2014 #107

IF any black citizens of Ferguson were responsible for any of it, they are NOT representative... NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #110

There were dozens last night TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #112

K&R woo me with science Nov 2014 #109

Yup. roody Nov 2014 #113

It was basically Rosewood, just that they cleverly shifted the blame ecstatic Nov 2014 #116

Yes it was a total stage show by the racist PDs. We all know they had the resources Rex Nov 2014 #117

I did think it was strange that the police left an empty car nt Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2014 #118

Yes, apparently there were explosive things in there, too. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #120

k&r so I can find this later. n/t truth2power Nov 2014 #119

I saw those cars burning on the news tonight. Cracklin Charlie Nov 2014 #121

Never underestimate the evil that can be done. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #122

Tin foil. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #125

I sure believe it. This was planned. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #126

Follow the money, Skip The Green Manalishi Nov 2014 #128