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badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
21. I think you misinterpreted what I said
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 08:37 PM
Nov 2014

IMO, there are two key points in all this. The first one is the question of whether Wilson had probable cause to confront Brown. If he did not, then the issues you raised (Wilson's past) have relevance, but most likely not to the case the grand jury was hearing. If Wilson had no probable cause then he could potentially be charged with federal civil rights crimes and his state of mind and past issues with Black people become central to a federal case. If he did have probable cause, then Wilson's past is irrelevant as to whether he had reason to confront Brown - in that case, Wilson had a duty to stop Brown, his past notwithstanding.

Another consideration in not bringing up Wilson's past is the involvement of the feds. McCulloch was well aware that the feds were on the case and would be looking at the civil rights aspects. Given that, why would McCulloch present evidence relevant to a federal case to a grand jury investigating state charges? He had no reason or need to.

McCulloch stated that Wilson was aware that a robbery had taken place, had a description of the suspect and recognized Brown as the likely suspect. IMO, that is certainly probable cause and Wilson had an obligation to confront Brown. Given how important this point is to a federal case, I am sure that federal agents looked at it very closely.

The other point is what actually took place after the confrontation was initiated. McCulloch stated that ALL of the testimony and evidence was given to the grand jury. If that is true, then the grand jurors were in a position to decide for themselves which witnesses were credible and which were not. McCulloch's opinion about that would be irrelevant, as would the fact that he detailed why certain witnesses were deemed not credible in his press conference. Unless McCulloch withheld evidence damaging to Wilson that a different prosecutor might have presented, then I don't see how a different prosecutor would have gotten an indictment.

As far as the embarrassment goes, it relates to McCulloch's statement that the grand jury had gotten everything and that they were sharing everything with the feds. If the feds, knew that to be false or if they later discovered that Wilson had been withholding evidence, it would have become public. At best, McCulloch would have been disgraced and potentially would have been open to prosecutorial misconduct or even obstruction of justice charges. McCulloch would have been taking a huge risk if he did not present all the facts.

You pointed out that a return of no true bill is rare. Prosecutors don't waste time with cases they do not believe they can win, so that means that, before he goes to the grand jury, the prosecutor is confident he can convince twelve out of twelve jurors to convict in a criminal trial. Given that, convincing nine out of twelve on a grand jury should be easy, hence the low number of "no true bill" results. In my opinion, McCulloch did not believe that Wilson could be convicted in a criminal trial, and under "normal" circumstances, he would not have presented to the grand jury. Had he done that, the outrage would likely have been even worse than what we are seeing now. McCulloch had no choice but to take the case to the grand jury and the best he could do was present all of the facts and let the grand jury decide. I believe he did that.

Lastly, I don't believe it would have been proper for McCulloch to recuse himself. To have done so would been a statement that he did not believe he could be fair in a trial involving a confrontation between an LEO and a Black person. If that's true, then he has no business being a prosecuting attorney. If a special prosecutor was needed, I believe the governor should have been the one to make the appointment.

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Against a cop? That blue line thing sure as shit is a strong one. uppityperson Nov 2014 #1
Wilson was fired from his last job, his whole Dept was fired. A real prosecutor would have sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #2
i've seen it noiretextatique Nov 2014 #14
I am less than certain that body cams on cops will have the desired effect IDemo Nov 2014 #3
True, they can manipulate evidence. However, I did read that in at least one precinct, police sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #4
There must be mandatory penalties for turning off the cameras too. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #6
If the prosecutor made an effort to get an indictment it would have happened. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #5
Agree on all counts! etherealtruth Nov 2014 #7
yep. Little Star Nov 2014 #12
Yes, I think it's obvious that the Prosecutor did not want an indictment of Wilson. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #15
Thanks for posting. JEB Nov 2014 #8
11 out of 162,000. Talk about beating the odds. JEB Nov 2014 #9
That was federal. This was done by state yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #11
I've heard that the feds have a tougher standard for indictment. JEB Nov 2014 #13
That's why people say that a prosecutor, if s/he WANTS it, could indict a ham sandwich. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #19
Saw that stay earlier. Great sign - spot on underpants Nov 2014 #10
It's rare because prosecutors don't go to grand juries with cases that are not winnable. badtoworse Nov 2014 #16
I'm not sure what you are asking. But what I think is that McCullough should have recused himself sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #17
Assuming the grand jury heard everything, what difference did what McCulloch thought make? badtoworse Nov 2014 #18
Was there anyone there to question any of the 'evidence' presented? Why do you think he would be sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #20
I think you misinterpreted what I said badtoworse Nov 2014 #21
I was in a rush when I responded to your comment earlier. Just wanted to say that you made some good sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #23
I agree with you about the Police Chief's Statement. badtoworse Nov 2014 #25
We know now how this was handled before the GJ. It appears that a second officer gave testimony sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #32
You're following this closer than I am. badtoworse Nov 2014 #35
Wilson did not write a report, which is standard procedure for cops, until long after the shooting. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #36
I'm going to wait to hear what the feds have to say badtoworse Nov 2014 #38
Did the GJ hear from the witness who saw everything from the beginning? The friend who sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #22
I disagree on one thing: the system *failed*, as it so often has for black folks..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #24
"So who was representing Mike Brown?" JEB Nov 2014 #26
And hasn't it just been revealed that McCullough was raising funds for Wilson?? If that is true, sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #27
This is hopeful, but it will get ugly soon. JEB Nov 2014 #31
Yes, I followed those protests on Twitter last night. Thanks for that link, there were apparently sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #33
Absolutely a conflict of interest. JEB Nov 2014 #34
a district attorney could have a grand jury indict a bologna sandwich LanternWaste Nov 2014 #28
You can't fail if you don't even try. nt TBF Nov 2014 #29
I always thought a DA's job was to prosecute suspects. Rex Nov 2014 #30
It depends on the 'suspect' is what I am learning. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #37
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