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104. First, I want to say Paul would definitely be dead if he were a black man. He fired a gun while a

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:46 PM

Nov 2014

police officer was present. Amadou Diallo was shot and killed in NYC for the crime of reaching for his wallet. Now, I want to make sure I have the story straight. Paul's son made a bogus call to 9-11 alleging that his father was suicidal. A police officer responded to the call and knocked on Paul's door, but did not identify himself as a police officer. Paul, rather than ask who it was or look out the peephole to see for himself, grabbed his gun and fired a warning shot. After the warning shot, additional officers, SWAT team, etc. arrive and a standoff ensued until Paul finally left his home.

Regarding the evidence tampering, I fully believe it's possible. Police and prosecutorial misconduct happens all the time. Has Paul contacted the ACLU?

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Dare I ask this? Indulge me. What if Michael Brown were white? [View all] cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 OP

No one. Brickbat Nov 2014 #1

That's certainly a possibility. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #6

Do you organize marches for them? Brickbat Nov 2014 #8

I've provided evidence to A.G.'s investigators cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #62

Right, but do you organize protests for them? Brickbat Nov 2014 #103

I've done everything I know to do. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #105

Organizing marches is hard, hard work. You have to find others who are sympathetic to your cause and Brickbat Nov 2014 #107

And what of the hateful (and often deeply racist) responses to *black folks* agitating for justice? nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #187

You stated that nicely unlike the others on this board, you're a class act. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #189

oh please noiretextatique Nov 2014 #200

You may indeed empathize with others, but as I said, it's not coming through very well. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #201

And the sleeper shall awaken! Rex Nov 2014 #192

oh...but of course you do... Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #13

What's up with the snide response to a firm democrat? cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #67

please stop H2O Man Nov 2014 #2

What's wrong with the question. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #15

On October 27, H2O Man Nov 2014 #28

So sorry to hear this. But I've never gotten cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #71

Re: "The rank hate on this thread towards me...intent on seeing the worst...is sickening." AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #86

Thanks for the moral support. I'd think dems would need cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #89

"People in your demographic" ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #203

Thanks I've been here ten but about ready to affiliate cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #106

our prayers are with you samsingh Nov 2014 #94

And they are ALIVE to talk about it. nt arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #32

first of all he probably would not have been shot and killed, but if he was Wilson JI7 Nov 2014 #3

Are you suggesting only black people are shot and killed by the cops? davidn3600 Nov 2014 #5

No. But I know several white victims of police abuse. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #12

If they currently are unable to get help gollygee Nov 2014 #19

Distracting? Wtf. There's more than one way to view police abuse. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #31

"If we can take race out of the equation" gollygee Nov 2014 #35

Yes I'm serious. A strategy to focus on a solution to reduce cop abuse of all kinds. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #81

Stop allowing the oppression of communities of color RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #145

I'm doing my part by investigating another abuse, strategies that are surely used on others cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #150

Nah, you're not doing shit. RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #205

You sound like you think all the "oppression" is my fault. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #159

it is not your fault noiretextatique Nov 2014 #196

no JI7 Nov 2014 #14

Only? No. Far more likely? Yes. (Unless the white person is also mentally ill or homeless. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #16

i don't think that's what he was suggesting samsingh Nov 2014 #95

Of course not. But the rates are nowhere comparable. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #99

Brace yourself. Black male teens are 21 times more likely to be killed by police pnwmom Nov 2014 #195

He'd be alive. nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #4

what everyone else said Kalidurga Nov 2014 #7

Oh, I'm sorry... Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #9

No I'm someone who wants to get to root cause cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #136

so...that's why you posted this hypothetical tragedy? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #199

Yes, I would march for his death. PDJane Nov 2014 #10

he probably wouldn't have been harassed or killed kydo Nov 2014 #11

Changing the way law enforcement operates helps all of us. nt Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #17

Yes and removing their protection under color of law cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #24

the color issue increasingly will fade as we all become targets NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #18

I totally agree with you. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #23

He would be alive. HappyMe Nov 2014 #20

Is there a history of systematic abuse and murder of white people at the hands of police? PeteSelman Nov 2014 #21

Please look up "James Boyd Shooting" Ryano42 Nov 2014 #22

APD had a lot more issues than that Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #47

Agreed. The big difference was it was all caught on camera...proof of their atrocity Ryano42 Nov 2014 #58

What if he were white? He'd still be alive. tenderfoot Nov 2014 #25

No one, because he would still be alive YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #26

The question strikes me as obtuse and arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #27

Yep, it strikes me the same n/t Spazito Nov 2014 #38

That's exactly what it is. RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #146

The solutions to our police problems will most likely benefit poor whites as well as minorities. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #29

They can be tampered with. I've already proven that. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #34

Why should we care when you haven't provided any smokey nj Nov 2014 #41

News won't pick it up. They were part of the problem cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #59

You still haven't provided any information, though. How can you expect us to be upset when we don't smokey nj Nov 2014 #63

Evidence in habeas corpus here cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #91

First, I want to say Paul would definitely be dead if he were a black man. He fired a gun while a smokey nj Nov 2014 #104

The police officer was not present. We proved it in evidence found after trial! cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #108

The police officer wasn't outside his house when he fired the warning shot? I heard the shot in smokey nj Nov 2014 #110

He was long gone. He had to be farther away than the car cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #121

So the officer left the scene, but didn't take his car? This is rather confusing and I want to smokey nj Nov 2014 #131

It's in the post from beginning to end cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #137

Why won't you just answer my question? smokey nj Nov 2014 #142

You didn't read the habeas did you? cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #154

No another car drove up and we have that tape too cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #139

So a shot was fired while police were in the area? smokey nj Nov 2014 #143

Yes, totally legal under the circumstances and under Texas Castle Law, that's why they had to tamper cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #158

Ya think it would help? We've contacted many groups. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #109

Couldn't hurt. smokey nj Nov 2014 #111

It's all here even downloadable format, its' not a 10 minute crime cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #190

Everything can be tampered with. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #45

Thanks for you civility. Not sure what's up with the others. Were ALL democrats cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #57

When people get angry, they look for a target to direct their anger at. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #65

I think they perceive you (fairly or not) as trying to deflect from the particular racially charged nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #100

Glad you see big picture. Get to the ROOT cause cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #112

If Michael Brown were white there wouldn't be a need to. nt el_bryanto Nov 2014 #30

The death of Kelly Thomas... tenderfoot Nov 2014 #33

The cops walked on the Kelly Thomas trial. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #36

And there were protests as result tenderfoot Nov 2014 #37

Kelly Thomas protest - story Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #64

If wishes and buts were clusters and nuts, we'd all have a bowl of granola. nt Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #39

This thread is a heaping pile of crap. n/t gollygee Nov 2014 #40

I agree. I think it's a huge crock of shit. smokey nj Nov 2014 #44

He'd be ~21 times more likily to still be alive. JoePhilly Nov 2014 #42

I think if a white guy robbed a store then assaulted the owner when he doc03 Nov 2014 #43

agree trekbiker Nov 2014 #70

one problem with your poutrage noiretextatique Nov 2014 #75

Yes I do remember that, and agree it was disgusting that the lazy media did not emphasize it. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #181

who did that? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #73

Well I saw the video of him throwing the guy against the wall like a rag doc03 Nov 2014 #76

no you didn't noiretextatique Nov 2014 #77

The report last night said he had the cigars in his hand when Wilson doc03 Nov 2014 #80

you can believe that instead of store owner eom noiretextatique Nov 2014 #132

Well how did Wilson receive the report on his radio then? n/t doc03 Nov 2014 #92

perhaps it is yet another lie nt noiretextatique Nov 2014 #129

The video confirms that he assaulted the store owner, he was probably scared to doc03 Nov 2014 #79

yep...scared of the police eom noiretextatique Nov 2014 #126

White privilege is the ability to be outraged by the Ferguson decision, rather than terrified by it The Straight Story Nov 2014 #46

I'm white, and I'm scared, too. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #83

You are so right! cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #85

Now you get it. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #101

I always got it, same as other things The Straight Story Nov 2014 #152

I can't really disagree with anything you just posted. Some people could use a bit more of a sense nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #160

it would be much less likely he was shot, for one thing fishwax Nov 2014 #48

I would have. Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2014 #49

Thanks for civility and understanding the question cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #61

It's a culmination of things savalez Nov 2014 #50

There were marches for Kelly Thomas. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #51

No one, because he wouldn't have gotten shot. n/t moriah Nov 2014 #52

He probably wouldn't have been shot to death. nt MrScorpio Nov 2014 #53

better yet who would have looted on his behalf... ileus Nov 2014 #54

Hypothetical White Boy would have not been shot wheniwasincongress Nov 2014 #55

He wouldn't have had a "demon face". So he wouldn't have been shot. Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #56

No, he woulda been able to get a taxi kevin.xiii Nov 2014 #60

White guys just can't catch a break! xfundy Nov 2014 #66

Rec for exposure malokvale77 Nov 2014 #68

Barely if anyone cares cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #82

Collin County... malokvale77 Nov 2014 #118

I totally understand. It's the fascist capital of America. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #119

A suggestion... malokvale77 Nov 2014 #124

Sorry I don't get what you're saying to me. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #138

It seems... malokvale77 Nov 2014 #147

he'd probably be alive noiretextatique Nov 2014 #69

perhaps you? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #72

I challenge everyone to read evidence in the writ of habeas cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #84

black people aren't your "Help" noiretextatique Nov 2014 #113

They could broaden their tent and expose strategies cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #116

and YOU can do that to noiretextatique Nov 2014 #123

You assume I haven't. I'll bet you haven't even read summary cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #130

no, i don't. i just don't believe black people need to fight your battles noiretextatique Nov 2014 #161

I never said they were. You clearly only see things from your world view. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #155

pot, meet kettle noiretextatique Nov 2014 #177

NO I don't expect it, but I would WELCOME IT. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #188

then why are YOU perpetrating it? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #191

I have no idea but I'm guessing the leaders would not care cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #90

you mean white leaders? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #102

I'd love it if black leaders took an interest cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #114

maybe when white leaders, besides the KKK take an interest noiretextatique Nov 2014 #128

I knew that. How rude to say anyone full of crap. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #133

except when you are full of crap noiretextatique Nov 2014 #135

damn right!!! U4ikLefty Nov 2014 #166

The "Al Sharpton" card? You just gave yourself away. U4ikLefty Nov 2014 #162

i can and cannot noiretextatique Nov 2014 #171

"i can and cannot" is a perfect take on these kind of OPs U4ikLefty Nov 2014 #186

Well, I can say this: the KKK certainly wouldn't be rallying in support of the cops. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #74

you are right about that noiretextatique Nov 2014 #78

I agree with you. Equal opportunity abusers cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #87

LOL...I love watching you cry about being accused of stuff. Rex Nov 2014 #88

he would not have been shot by the police samsingh Nov 2014 #93

If Michael Brown were white, and suffered injustice at the hands of authorities ... Trajan Nov 2014 #96

Why march? He would not have been shot... joeybee12 Nov 2014 #97

You should know because you live here in Texas with me. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #98

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #122

Thank you. You said it perhaps more eloquently than I. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #127

...and the "eloquent speaker" is sleeping with the fishes. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #157

white honor student shot by cops: marble falls Nov 2014 #206

Welcome to DU BruceW ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #148

My kids are white, but because of corruption I've seen, the cops scare the crap out of me cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #168

My kid is white too, and I know he wouldn't be shot for the events that happened to Michael ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #172

There was a massive outpouring of support for Scott Olsen in 2011 Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #115

Yes as it should be. But no matches for evidence tampering cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #117

Huh?? Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #149

Sorry, I meant no marches for evidence tampering, DA, cop and judge collusion cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #151

You are making zero sense. Congrats. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #165

she feels aggrieved noiretextatique Nov 2014 #174

We also need to end racism. Our jobs get bigger and bigger for no pay. bravenak Nov 2014 #178

Good lord. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #184

we are just sooo mean noiretextatique Nov 2014 #197

and what if darren wilson was black? spanone Nov 2014 #120

There would be no need to march Bettie Nov 2014 #125

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #134

The black mothers I have come to know of middle social status Bettie Nov 2014 #153

He'd be alive, and we'd have another witness whose testimony would be considered credible. n/t gollygee Nov 2014 #140

indulge me: what if you weren't white? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #141

If he were white he probably wouldn't have been shot. Even if he had been people would still view craigmatic Nov 2014 #144

A young black man is killed every 48 hours by law enforcement. bravenak Nov 2014 #156

Well said. Even if it makes me (and no doubt others) profoundly sad. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #163

This is a bullshit thread. bravenak Nov 2014 #173

I have to agree. Whatever the intent, it comes across as a distraction at best. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #176

I see it as a 'What about meeeeeee!' Thread. bravenak Nov 2014 #183

Exactly. It reeks of self-centeredness, both individual and racial in nature. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #185

that would require some introspection noiretextatique Nov 2014 #194

total bullshit noiretextatique Nov 2014 #193

I swear I imagine an actual troll when people go on like this. bravenak Nov 2014 #198

and why the fuck can't SHE do it herself? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #164

It's our JOB!!! bravenak Nov 2014 #169

true, sis noiretextatique Nov 2014 #175

And if you do, what will they give you in return? Most likely next to nothing. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #179

An ass whooping. bravenak Nov 2014 #180

This message was self-deleted by its author ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #167

Yes, yes. That was very "courageous" of you to ask. Recursion Nov 2014 #170

The cop would have found a way to calm him down treestar Nov 2014 #182

He would not be DEAD! sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #202

No one Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #204