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KingCharlemagne

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56. Comrade, I must respectfully disagree. The USSR supported national

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 10:55 PM

Nov 2014

liberation movements in the third world, notably in Africa, Southeast Asia and Latin America when the major capitalist powers (the UK and US) opposed them viciously and brutally. One of the best things to come from the Cuban Revolution (supported for 25+ years by the USSR) is that Castro and his Communist Party pretty much eliminated racism there, no small feat given the legacy left by Batista.

While it is theoretically possible to envision a capitalism that does not require racism, sexism, LGBT-phobia or anti-immigrant sentiment, every socialist worth his or her salt stands forthrightly and solidly against racism whenever and wherever it appears. One cannot say that about capitalism or capitalists.

I'll be happy to explain why socialism is far more hostile to racism sui generis than capitalism could ever hope to be, if you are interested.

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I had an argument with someone last night, over just this issue... truth2power Nov 2014 #2

Thank you annabanana Nov 2014 #3

Eh - it just doesn't go over well is all..... maced666 Nov 2014 #4

Unless you intended to be sarcastic, your post is offensive and chervilant Nov 2014 #5

I don't mean to be insensitive, but how is stealing stuff not in poor taste? Adrahil Nov 2014 #7

Several defensible research articles and books chervilant Nov 2014 #10

With all due respect... truth2power Nov 2014 #8

Rioting is the language of the unheard. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #43

Sorry, cannot support that. Adrahil Nov 2014 #6

Understanding why and how chervilant Nov 2014 #13

Fair enough... Adrahil Nov 2014 #14

Please see my other post to you herein above. chervilant Nov 2014 #15

Actually, I think it does. Adrahil Nov 2014 #18

Many of the protest groups chervilant Nov 2014 #20

Where did mention race? Adrahil Nov 2014 #22

I was referring to the deliberate use by the co-opted M$M of footage chervilant Nov 2014 #26

I'll let it go at that. I can't really disagree... Adrahil Nov 2014 #31

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I agree. Register and fookin' VOTE if you want change. Adrahil Nov 2014 #30

Yes, they need to have faith in the system that has let them down over and over again!! jeff47 Nov 2014 #33

Unbelievable isn't it? I cannot believe what I'm hearing here. nt laundry_queen Nov 2014 #64

The county elections aren't until the spring. jeff47 Nov 2014 #32

Betrayed or not, sooner or later people have to make the move to change SoCalDem Nov 2014 #37

They are. Right now. jeff47 Nov 2014 #38

I am so dismayed by your post, I don't know where to begin. chervilant Nov 2014 #45

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I think both had impacts on the civil rights movement justiceischeap Nov 2014 #21

Alright... I buy that as far as it goes.... but.... Adrahil Nov 2014 #24

Happens when the "concern" is served up with heaping spoonfulls of racism & classism. baldguy Nov 2014 #9

If they were facing down the police, I might agree.... Adrahil Nov 2014 #19

If they were facing down the police, they'd be dead. jeff47 Nov 2014 #34

What happens to a dream deferred . . . gollygee Nov 2014 #11

Would you post this as an OP? It's perfect. KittyWampus Nov 2014 #36

Thanks for that loyalsister Nov 2014 #12

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Thank you for this post. chervilant Nov 2014 #23

No justice, no peace. kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #17

Not just a liberal perspective, but from a Trotskyist perspective..... socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #25

NO ONE heaven05 Nov 2014 #28

That's because there's been no serious threat to capitalism......... socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #44

Bolsheviks are/were just heaven05 Nov 2014 #46

Geez, you're talking about bias....... socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #50

No they were racist heaven05 Nov 2014 #52

Your response was so full of B.S. that I just had to respond. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #53

yes it is heaven05 Nov 2014 #57

You continue to miss the point. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #59

Understand this heaven05 Nov 2014 #61

He and I probably agree on that one thing, at least. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #62

Comrade, I must respectfully disagree. The USSR supported national KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #56

well, I'll listen to you heaven05 Nov 2014 #60

I apologize that it has taken me so long to respond. I should say first of KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #66

thank you heaven05 Nov 2014 #67

Interesting article that bears on this subject directly (vis-a-vis the BPP and Cointelpro): KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #68

yes, I know of it heaven05 Nov 2014 #69

That is a bit of an over-simplification. Riots in and of themselves will not KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #40

Yeah I wrote this in haste and almost edited to reflect the very thing... socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #42

Kick from a fellow Trot! Odin2005 Nov 2014 #48

Thanks Odin!...... socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #51

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Much more privileged people also riot, for seemingly no reason Recursion Nov 2014 #35

Exactly. alarimer Nov 2014 #71

Rioting is the language of the voiceless. Avalux Nov 2014 #39

K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #41

I can understand where you're coming from, Mark, I really do..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #49

Spike Lee perfectly captured the riot in "Do the Right Thing" Johonny Nov 2014 #54

Human nature makes rioting a response Jenoch Nov 2014 #55

The rioters on Youtube from last night were laughing. maced666 Nov 2014 #58

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I forgive it all. GitRDun Nov 2014 #65

I don't think the rioting/looting is political; I think it's opportunistic alarimer Nov 2014 #70

Well written War Horse Nov 2014 #72