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Bettie

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153. The black mothers I have come to know of middle social status

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 12:53 AM

Nov 2014

see their husbands and sons stopped regularly while daring to drive while black, especially if they drive a newer car.

They see their husbands and sons followed in stores that they frequent because they live in more expensive neighborhoods that are mostly white, thus it is assumed that they are up to no good.

They are the ones who need to pull out cell phones to record every interaction they have with law enforcement, though they have broken no laws. Why? Because they fear what will happen if they aren't vigilant.

I have the luxury of not being worried every time I see a cop that this will be the day I say the wrong thing and get killed for my trouble.

I have the luxury of knowing that if my kid jaywalks, the worst he's likely to get is a warning, not a bunch of bullets in his body.

But, wait, I know..."well, racism exists...but not in THIS case". Of course, that's the answer in all cases though, isn't it?

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Dare I ask this? Indulge me. What if Michael Brown were white? [View all] cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 OP

No one. Brickbat Nov 2014 #1

That's certainly a possibility. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #6

Do you organize marches for them? Brickbat Nov 2014 #8

I've provided evidence to A.G.'s investigators cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #62

Right, but do you organize protests for them? Brickbat Nov 2014 #103

I've done everything I know to do. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #105

Organizing marches is hard, hard work. You have to find others who are sympathetic to your cause and Brickbat Nov 2014 #107

And what of the hateful (and often deeply racist) responses to *black folks* agitating for justice? nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #187

You stated that nicely unlike the others on this board, you're a class act. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #189

oh please noiretextatique Nov 2014 #200

You may indeed empathize with others, but as I said, it's not coming through very well. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #201

And the sleeper shall awaken! Rex Nov 2014 #192

oh...but of course you do... Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #13

What's up with the snide response to a firm democrat? cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #67

please stop H2O Man Nov 2014 #2

What's wrong with the question. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #15

On October 27, H2O Man Nov 2014 #28

So sorry to hear this. But I've never gotten cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #71

Re: "The rank hate on this thread towards me...intent on seeing the worst...is sickening." AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #86

Thanks for the moral support. I'd think dems would need cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #89

"People in your demographic" ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #203

Thanks I've been here ten but about ready to affiliate cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #106

our prayers are with you samsingh Nov 2014 #94

And they are ALIVE to talk about it. nt arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #32

first of all he probably would not have been shot and killed, but if he was Wilson JI7 Nov 2014 #3

Are you suggesting only black people are shot and killed by the cops? davidn3600 Nov 2014 #5

No. But I know several white victims of police abuse. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #12

If they currently are unable to get help gollygee Nov 2014 #19

Distracting? Wtf. There's more than one way to view police abuse. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #31

"If we can take race out of the equation" gollygee Nov 2014 #35

Yes I'm serious. A strategy to focus on a solution to reduce cop abuse of all kinds. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #81

Stop allowing the oppression of communities of color RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #145

I'm doing my part by investigating another abuse, strategies that are surely used on others cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #150

Nah, you're not doing shit. RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #205

You sound like you think all the "oppression" is my fault. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #159

it is not your fault noiretextatique Nov 2014 #196

no JI7 Nov 2014 #14

Only? No. Far more likely? Yes. (Unless the white person is also mentally ill or homeless. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #16

i don't think that's what he was suggesting samsingh Nov 2014 #95

Of course not. But the rates are nowhere comparable. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #99

Brace yourself. Black male teens are 21 times more likely to be killed by police pnwmom Nov 2014 #195

He'd be alive. nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #4

what everyone else said Kalidurga Nov 2014 #7

Oh, I'm sorry... Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #9

No I'm someone who wants to get to root cause cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #136

so...that's why you posted this hypothetical tragedy? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #199

Yes, I would march for his death. PDJane Nov 2014 #10

he probably wouldn't have been harassed or killed kydo Nov 2014 #11

Changing the way law enforcement operates helps all of us. nt Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #17

Yes and removing their protection under color of law cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #24

the color issue increasingly will fade as we all become targets NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #18

I totally agree with you. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #23

He would be alive. HappyMe Nov 2014 #20

Is there a history of systematic abuse and murder of white people at the hands of police? PeteSelman Nov 2014 #21

Please look up "James Boyd Shooting" Ryano42 Nov 2014 #22

APD had a lot more issues than that Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #47

Agreed. The big difference was it was all caught on camera...proof of their atrocity Ryano42 Nov 2014 #58

What if he were white? He'd still be alive. tenderfoot Nov 2014 #25

No one, because he would still be alive YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #26

The question strikes me as obtuse and arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #27

Yep, it strikes me the same n/t Spazito Nov 2014 #38

That's exactly what it is. RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #146

The solutions to our police problems will most likely benefit poor whites as well as minorities. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #29

They can be tampered with. I've already proven that. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #34

Why should we care when you haven't provided any smokey nj Nov 2014 #41

News won't pick it up. They were part of the problem cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #59

You still haven't provided any information, though. How can you expect us to be upset when we don't smokey nj Nov 2014 #63

Evidence in habeas corpus here cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #91

First, I want to say Paul would definitely be dead if he were a black man. He fired a gun while a smokey nj Nov 2014 #104

The police officer was not present. We proved it in evidence found after trial! cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #108

The police officer wasn't outside his house when he fired the warning shot? I heard the shot in smokey nj Nov 2014 #110

He was long gone. He had to be farther away than the car cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #121

So the officer left the scene, but didn't take his car? This is rather confusing and I want to smokey nj Nov 2014 #131

It's in the post from beginning to end cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #137

Why won't you just answer my question? smokey nj Nov 2014 #142

You didn't read the habeas did you? cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #154

No another car drove up and we have that tape too cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #139

So a shot was fired while police were in the area? smokey nj Nov 2014 #143

Yes, totally legal under the circumstances and under Texas Castle Law, that's why they had to tamper cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #158

Ya think it would help? We've contacted many groups. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #109

Couldn't hurt. smokey nj Nov 2014 #111

It's all here even downloadable format, its' not a 10 minute crime cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #190

Everything can be tampered with. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #45

Thanks for you civility. Not sure what's up with the others. Were ALL democrats cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #57

When people get angry, they look for a target to direct their anger at. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #65

I think they perceive you (fairly or not) as trying to deflect from the particular racially charged nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #100

Glad you see big picture. Get to the ROOT cause cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #112

If Michael Brown were white there wouldn't be a need to. nt el_bryanto Nov 2014 #30

The death of Kelly Thomas... tenderfoot Nov 2014 #33

The cops walked on the Kelly Thomas trial. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #36

And there were protests as result tenderfoot Nov 2014 #37

Kelly Thomas protest - story Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #64

If wishes and buts were clusters and nuts, we'd all have a bowl of granola. nt Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #39

This thread is a heaping pile of crap. n/t gollygee Nov 2014 #40

I agree. I think it's a huge crock of shit. smokey nj Nov 2014 #44

He'd be ~21 times more likily to still be alive. JoePhilly Nov 2014 #42

I think if a white guy robbed a store then assaulted the owner when he doc03 Nov 2014 #43

agree trekbiker Nov 2014 #70

one problem with your poutrage noiretextatique Nov 2014 #75

Yes I do remember that, and agree it was disgusting that the lazy media did not emphasize it. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #181

who did that? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #73

Well I saw the video of him throwing the guy against the wall like a rag doc03 Nov 2014 #76

no you didn't noiretextatique Nov 2014 #77

The report last night said he had the cigars in his hand when Wilson doc03 Nov 2014 #80

you can believe that instead of store owner eom noiretextatique Nov 2014 #132

Well how did Wilson receive the report on his radio then? n/t doc03 Nov 2014 #92

perhaps it is yet another lie nt noiretextatique Nov 2014 #129

The video confirms that he assaulted the store owner, he was probably scared to doc03 Nov 2014 #79

yep...scared of the police eom noiretextatique Nov 2014 #126

White privilege is the ability to be outraged by the Ferguson decision, rather than terrified by it The Straight Story Nov 2014 #46

I'm white, and I'm scared, too. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #83

You are so right! cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #85

Now you get it. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #101

I always got it, same as other things The Straight Story Nov 2014 #152

I can't really disagree with anything you just posted. Some people could use a bit more of a sense nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #160

it would be much less likely he was shot, for one thing fishwax Nov 2014 #48

I would have. Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2014 #49

Thanks for civility and understanding the question cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #61

It's a culmination of things savalez Nov 2014 #50

There were marches for Kelly Thomas. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #51

No one, because he wouldn't have gotten shot. n/t moriah Nov 2014 #52

He probably wouldn't have been shot to death. nt MrScorpio Nov 2014 #53

better yet who would have looted on his behalf... ileus Nov 2014 #54

Hypothetical White Boy would have not been shot wheniwasincongress Nov 2014 #55

He wouldn't have had a "demon face". So he wouldn't have been shot. Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #56

No, he woulda been able to get a taxi kevin.xiii Nov 2014 #60

White guys just can't catch a break! xfundy Nov 2014 #66

Rec for exposure malokvale77 Nov 2014 #68

Barely if anyone cares cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #82

Collin County... malokvale77 Nov 2014 #118

I totally understand. It's the fascist capital of America. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #119

A suggestion... malokvale77 Nov 2014 #124

Sorry I don't get what you're saying to me. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #138

It seems... malokvale77 Nov 2014 #147

he'd probably be alive noiretextatique Nov 2014 #69

perhaps you? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #72

I challenge everyone to read evidence in the writ of habeas cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #84

black people aren't your "Help" noiretextatique Nov 2014 #113

They could broaden their tent and expose strategies cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #116

and YOU can do that to noiretextatique Nov 2014 #123

You assume I haven't. I'll bet you haven't even read summary cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #130

no, i don't. i just don't believe black people need to fight your battles noiretextatique Nov 2014 #161

I never said they were. You clearly only see things from your world view. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #155

pot, meet kettle noiretextatique Nov 2014 #177

NO I don't expect it, but I would WELCOME IT. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #188

then why are YOU perpetrating it? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #191

I have no idea but I'm guessing the leaders would not care cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #90

you mean white leaders? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #102

I'd love it if black leaders took an interest cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #114

maybe when white leaders, besides the KKK take an interest noiretextatique Nov 2014 #128

I knew that. How rude to say anyone full of crap. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #133

except when you are full of crap noiretextatique Nov 2014 #135

damn right!!! U4ikLefty Nov 2014 #166

The "Al Sharpton" card? You just gave yourself away. U4ikLefty Nov 2014 #162

i can and cannot noiretextatique Nov 2014 #171

"i can and cannot" is a perfect take on these kind of OPs U4ikLefty Nov 2014 #186

Well, I can say this: the KKK certainly wouldn't be rallying in support of the cops. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #74

you are right about that noiretextatique Nov 2014 #78

I agree with you. Equal opportunity abusers cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #87

LOL...I love watching you cry about being accused of stuff. Rex Nov 2014 #88

he would not have been shot by the police samsingh Nov 2014 #93

If Michael Brown were white, and suffered injustice at the hands of authorities ... Trajan Nov 2014 #96

Why march? He would not have been shot... joeybee12 Nov 2014 #97

You should know because you live here in Texas with me. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #98

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #122

Thank you. You said it perhaps more eloquently than I. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #127

...and the "eloquent speaker" is sleeping with the fishes. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #157

white honor student shot by cops: marble falls Nov 2014 #206

Welcome to DU BruceW ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #148

My kids are white, but because of corruption I've seen, the cops scare the crap out of me cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #168

My kid is white too, and I know he wouldn't be shot for the events that happened to Michael ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #172

There was a massive outpouring of support for Scott Olsen in 2011 Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #115

Yes as it should be. But no matches for evidence tampering cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #117

Huh?? Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #149

Sorry, I meant no marches for evidence tampering, DA, cop and judge collusion cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #151

You are making zero sense. Congrats. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #165

she feels aggrieved noiretextatique Nov 2014 #174

We also need to end racism. Our jobs get bigger and bigger for no pay. bravenak Nov 2014 #178

Good lord. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #184

we are just sooo mean noiretextatique Nov 2014 #197

and what if darren wilson was black? spanone Nov 2014 #120

There would be no need to march Bettie Nov 2014 #125

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #134

The black mothers I have come to know of middle social status Bettie Nov 2014 #153

He'd be alive, and we'd have another witness whose testimony would be considered credible. n/t gollygee Nov 2014 #140

indulge me: what if you weren't white? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #141

If he were white he probably wouldn't have been shot. Even if he had been people would still view craigmatic Nov 2014 #144

A young black man is killed every 48 hours by law enforcement. bravenak Nov 2014 #156

Well said. Even if it makes me (and no doubt others) profoundly sad. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #163

This is a bullshit thread. bravenak Nov 2014 #173

I have to agree. Whatever the intent, it comes across as a distraction at best. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #176

I see it as a 'What about meeeeeee!' Thread. bravenak Nov 2014 #183

Exactly. It reeks of self-centeredness, both individual and racial in nature. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #185

that would require some introspection noiretextatique Nov 2014 #194

total bullshit noiretextatique Nov 2014 #193

I swear I imagine an actual troll when people go on like this. bravenak Nov 2014 #198

and why the fuck can't SHE do it herself? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #164

It's our JOB!!! bravenak Nov 2014 #169

true, sis noiretextatique Nov 2014 #175

And if you do, what will they give you in return? Most likely next to nothing. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #179

An ass whooping. bravenak Nov 2014 #180

This message was self-deleted by its author ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #167

Yes, yes. That was very "courageous" of you to ask. Recursion Nov 2014 #170

The cop would have found a way to calm him down treestar Nov 2014 #182

He would not be DEAD! sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #202

No one Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #204