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ProSense

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2. This was
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:49 AM
Apr 2012

posted already.

Here's my response: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=585248

It's the typical strung together hyperbole.

President Obama now has power that Bush never had. Foremost is he can (and has) order the killing of U.S. citizens abroad who are deemed terrorists. Like Bush, he has asked the Justice Department to draft secret memos authorizing his actions without going before a federal court or disclosing them....One of Bush’s biggest civil liberties breaches, spying on virtually all Americans via their telecommunications starting in 2003, also has been expanded. Congress authorized the effort in 2006. Two years later, it granted legal immunity to the telecom firms helping Bush—a bill Obama voted for...How bad is it? Anthony Romero, the ACLU executive director, exclaimed in June 2010 that Obama “disgusted” him. Meanwhile, the most hawkish Bush administration officials have defended and praised Obama.


Yeah, dig up everything every said or reported, debunked or not, and throw in the word "nightmare," and voila!

Never mind that even the ACLU sees progress in many areas.

  • Ordered an end to the use of torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment, withdrew
    flawed legal analysis used to justify torture and applied the Army Field Manual on interrogations
    government wide.
  • Abolished the CIA secret prisons.
  • Says that “waterboarding is torture” and “contrary to America’s traditions… contrary to our ideals.”
  • No reports of extraordinary rendition to torture or other cruelty under his administration.
  • Failed to hold those responsible for past torture and other cruelty accountable; has blocked
    alleged victims of torture from having their day in court.
http://www.aclulibertywatch.org/ALWCandidateReportCard.pdf


Bush left a tremendous mess, and anyone who believes it's going to be easy to untangle it is kidding themselves. Look at Guantanamo.

Libertarians are the nightmare.

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Some truth there. Autumn Apr 2012 #1
This was ProSense Apr 2012 #2
"Failed to hold those responsible for past torture and other cruelty accountable; has blocked Dragonfli Apr 2012 #12
Please do ProSense Apr 2012 #14
I think that is good advice, so please feel free to get over yourself as well Dragonfli Apr 2012 #18
Clearly ProSense Apr 2012 #21
The difference is, I stopped drinking kool-aid and started listening to my reason Dragonfli Apr 2012 #23
Hear, hear...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #24
. Dragonfli Apr 2012 #25
To be fair, Clinton didn't do those things, they were done by Repubs. Sirveri Apr 2012 #48
To be fair he did support all three of those things and rallied blue dog votes to help Dragonfli Apr 2012 #49
That's a fair point. I'm used to arguing with Repubs about it. Sirveri Apr 2012 #50
Understandable, the Republicans like to take credit for the balanced budget as well Dragonfli Apr 2012 #51
Hear, hear. nt woo me with science Apr 2012 #15
This was also progressoid Apr 2012 #27
So was ProSense Apr 2012 #28
Oh, I'm sorry. progressoid Apr 2012 #29
Please ProSense Apr 2012 #3
Du rec. Nt xchrom Apr 2012 #4
du wreck indeed Whisp Apr 2012 #5
No comment. MineralMan Apr 2012 #6
This was posted yesterday Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #7
i missed it..some of us dont get here everyday..rec because the truth is good enough xiamiam Apr 2012 #8
Well, carry on then Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #10
Good. woo me with science Apr 2012 #11
I am having deja true! Kick for the truth! Dragonfli Apr 2012 #13
I didn't see it but glad to hear that! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #16
DU rec. Thanks for continuing to push against the denial. woo me with science Apr 2012 #9
One party, two faces - one friendlier looking than the other... polichick Apr 2012 #57
tell me, do you ever post anything about Romney or is it just Obama you can't stand? WI_DEM Apr 2012 #17
You mean like this anti-Romney one I posted yesterday? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #20
yeah, yeah, etc.... Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #30
It is bipartisan. Wake up and look at the fucking record. woo me with science Apr 2012 #22
La, La, La, La, La, La... I can't hear you La, La, La, La, La hughee99 Apr 2012 #19
True enough, but do you think Mittens will be any better? truebrit71 Apr 2012 #26
No. He might build on Obama's actions just as Obama built on Dubya's. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #31
Right ProSense Apr 2012 #32
Sorry ProSense but picking up many Obama policies IS the same as picking up from Bush... truebrit71 Apr 2012 #35
Sorry, ProSense Apr 2012 #40
And I disagree... truebrit71 Apr 2012 #42
Right, ProSense Apr 2012 #43
We know, you do it all the time. TransitJohn Apr 2012 #64
How has it been going? Up to this point it's been an abject failure... truebrit71 Apr 2012 #34
You're right. Obama might change, especially since he wouldn't be up for re-election in 2016. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #39
As an aside (not meant to distract from, or discourage an answer from the poster you replied to) Dragonfli Apr 2012 #41
There is no need to apologize. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #46
Prediction: "Grand Bargain" will be the buzzword again after November. Marr Apr 2012 #52
I agree we have a better chance of convincing President Obama that is Constitution is worth sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #33
+, well said Sabrina /nt Dragonfli Apr 2012 #38
Democrats need to represent a stark difference from Republicans... polichick Apr 2012 #54
I think they used to, before reagan. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #65
Disposing of our civil liberties is for our own good. Didn't you get the memo from the DNC/RNC? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #36
Kick, we need to make civil liberties a campaign issue if we are to influence our candidate Dragonfli Apr 2012 #37
K&R DisabledDem Apr 2012 #44
DURec, bvar22 Apr 2012 #45
The Ever-Expanding Surveillance State That Has Grown Under Obama Better Believe It Apr 2012 #47
keep trying... dionysus Apr 2012 #53
It's horrifying and inexplicable. polichick Apr 2012 #55
Another cut and paste drive by. cliffordu Apr 2012 #56
Ctrl-V for Victory!!... SidDithers Apr 2012 #58
rofl cliffordu Apr 2012 #60
A victory for blind denial is hardly to be celebrated. polichick Apr 2012 #61
Interesting that you cannot dispute the facts presented... polichick Apr 2012 #59
It's easier to just do what the Bushies used to do. Marr Apr 2012 #62
Good point - but kinda creepy to see that here. polichick Apr 2012 #63
Oh... The Marchers Here Have Been Practicing... And They Are Almost In Lock-Step... WillyT Apr 2012 #66
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