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In reply to the discussion: How Obama Became a Civil Libertarian's Nightmare: He Expanded Many Of Bush's Worst Policies [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)2. This was
posted already.
Here's my response: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=585248
It's the typical strung together hyperbole.
President Obama now has power that Bush never had. Foremost is he can (and has) order the killing of U.S. citizens abroad who are deemed terrorists. Like Bush, he has asked the Justice Department to draft secret memos authorizing his actions without going before a federal court or disclosing them....One of Bushs biggest civil liberties breaches, spying on virtually all Americans via their telecommunications starting in 2003, also has been expanded. Congress authorized the effort in 2006. Two years later, it granted legal immunity to the telecom firms helping Busha bill Obama voted for...How bad is it? Anthony Romero, the ACLU executive director, exclaimed in June 2010 that Obama disgusted him. Meanwhile, the most hawkish Bush administration officials have defended and praised Obama.
Yeah, dig up everything every said or reported, debunked or not, and throw in the word "nightmare," and voila!
Never mind that even the ACLU sees progress in many areas.
- Ordered an end to the use of torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment, withdrew
flawed legal analysis used to justify torture and applied the Army Field Manual on interrogations
government wide. - Abolished the CIA secret prisons.
- Says that waterboarding is torture and contrary to Americas traditions
contrary to our ideals.
- No reports of extraordinary rendition to torture or other cruelty under his administration.
- Failed to hold those responsible for past torture and other cruelty accountable; has blocked
alleged victims of torture from having their day in court.
Bush left a tremendous mess, and anyone who believes it's going to be easy to untangle it is kidding themselves. Look at Guantanamo.
Libertarians are the nightmare.
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How Obama Became a Civil Libertarian's Nightmare: He Expanded Many Of Bush's Worst Policies [View all]
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
OP
"Failed to hold those responsible for past torture and other cruelty accountable; has blocked
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#12
I think that is good advice, so please feel free to get over yourself as well
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#18
The difference is, I stopped drinking kool-aid and started listening to my reason
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#23
To be fair he did support all three of those things and rallied blue dog votes to help
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#49
Understandable, the Republicans like to take credit for the balanced budget as well
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#51
i missed it..some of us dont get here everyday..rec because the truth is good enough
xiamiam
Apr 2012
#8
tell me, do you ever post anything about Romney or is it just Obama you can't stand?
WI_DEM
Apr 2012
#17
No. He might build on Obama's actions just as Obama built on Dubya's.
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#31
Sorry ProSense but picking up many Obama policies IS the same as picking up from Bush...
truebrit71
Apr 2012
#35
You're right. Obama might change, especially since he wouldn't be up for re-election in 2016.
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#39
As an aside (not meant to distract from, or discourage an answer from the poster you replied to)
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#41
I agree we have a better chance of convincing President Obama that is Constitution is worth
sabrina 1
Apr 2012
#33
Disposing of our civil liberties is for our own good. Didn't you get the memo from the DNC/RNC?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2012
#36
Kick, we need to make civil liberties a campaign issue if we are to influence our candidate
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#37