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In reply to the discussion: Did Mike Brown grab the gun or not? [View all]justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)23. We will never know because the gun wasn't tested for prints
This is from the HuffPo article, "Ferguson Grand Jury Evidence Reveals Mistakes, Holes In Investigation"
Reading this makes it clear this case was not investigated thoroughly because the police saw no reason to investigate it thoroughly. From the beginning it appears as though the decision was made that it was a good shoot.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/ferguson-grand-jury-evidence-mistakes_n_6220814.html?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&ir=Black%20Voices
4. Investigators did not test Wilsons gun for fingerprints.
Talking with police investigators and before the grand jury, Wilson claimed that Brown had grabbed at Wilson's gun during the initial incident in the police car and that Brown's hand was on the firearm when it misfired at least once. Wilson also told police that he thought Brown would overpower him and shoot him with his own gun. I was not in control of the gun, Wilson said. Eventually he regained control of the weapon and fired from within the car.
Investigators could have helped to prove or disprove Wilsons testimony by testing his service weapon for Browns fingerprints. But the gun was not tested for fingerprints. An investigator argued before the grand jury that the decision was made not to test the weapon because Wilson never lost control of his gun.
4. Investigators did not test Wilsons gun for fingerprints.
Talking with police investigators and before the grand jury, Wilson claimed that Brown had grabbed at Wilson's gun during the initial incident in the police car and that Brown's hand was on the firearm when it misfired at least once. Wilson also told police that he thought Brown would overpower him and shoot him with his own gun. I was not in control of the gun, Wilson said. Eventually he regained control of the weapon and fired from within the car.
Investigators could have helped to prove or disprove Wilsons testimony by testing his service weapon for Browns fingerprints. But the gun was not tested for fingerprints. An investigator argued before the grand jury that the decision was made not to test the weapon because Wilson never lost control of his gun.
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It can't be forensically proven or disproven, though I don't believe the claim
Recursion
Nov 2014
#1
Oh, I guess that would explain the lack of any solid answer about it.
PersonNumber503602
Nov 2014
#2
Damn shame there wasn't any body cameras, or at least a dash board cam.
PersonNumber503602
Nov 2014
#6
His testimony has a long, tortured explanation of why he didn't go for his mace or baton
Recursion
Nov 2014
#7
At least he didn't claim to have grabbed (and used) the gun by accident, like J. Meserle did.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2014
#10
Ahh, that most lethal and aggressive action first mentality that far too many police officers have
PersonNumber503602
Nov 2014
#12
That does not definitely demonstrate anything, according to the very pathologist being quoted
alcibiades_mystery
Nov 2014
#14
It was in the autopsy report, gun shot in Brown's hand, soft tissue recovered from the vehicle
snooper2
Nov 2014
#36
Which only shows that he was shot in the hand, not that he was grabbing for a gun
alcibiades_mystery
Nov 2014
#44
I hate saying it like this, but on the "pro Brown" side, is there any comment the forensics
PersonNumber503602
Nov 2014
#9
Everyone (myself included) comes at these cases with pre-conceived notions.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2014
#11
As nomorenomore08 said below, grabbing a cops gun does sound suicidal.
PersonNumber503602
Nov 2014
#19
Every sentence out of Wilson's mouth is carefully crafted by attorney to match the statute
alcibiades_mystery
Nov 2014
#29
"It's ridiculous. His entire testimony is ridiculous. And everybody knows it."
nomorenomore08
Nov 2014
#48
I doubt it. Unless he was suicidal, and I've seen no indication that he was.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2014
#8
I'm glad I'm not the only one who found that an incredibly arrogant post. n/t
nomorenomore08
Nov 2014
#49
Even if he did that would have been long before he had his hands up and was exicuted. nt
Quixote1818
Nov 2014
#34
Can't be proven now, Wilson put his own gun into an evidence bag and washed his hands
Rex
Nov 2014
#47