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kpete

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Wed Nov 26, 2014, 09:43 AM Nov 2014

Transcripts show #DarrenWilson lied to the grand jury [View all]

Transcripts show #DarrenWilson lied to the grand jury
By: Masoninblue Wednesday November 26, 2014 4:55 am

Officer Darren Wilson testified that he knew about the theft of a box of cigarillos from the Ferguson Market, before encountering Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson. However, Officer Wilson’s supervisor testified that he spoke to Wilson after the shooting, and that Wilson “did not know anything about the stealing call.” In an apparent effort to turn unreasonable actions into a reasonable excuse to pull the gun out, Wilson connected the stop to the call about the in-store theft.

First we have a transcript of his grand jury testimony:

Question by Prosecutor Ms. Whirley:

Q: Okay. Did you get any other calls between the time of the sick baby call and your interaction with Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson?
A: While on the sick case call, a call came out for a stealing in progress from the local market on West Florissant, that the suspects traveling toward QT. I didn’t hear the entire call, I was on my portable radio, which isn’t exactly the best. I did hear that a suspect was wearing a black shirt and that a box of Cigarillos was stolen.
Q: And this was your call or you just heard the call?
A: It was not my call. I heard the call.
Q: Some other officers were dispatched to that call.
A: I believe two others were.
Q: Was it a call you were going to go toalso?
A: No.
Q: So you weren’t really geared to handle that call?
A: No.

/snip/

A: As I approached them, I stopped a couple of feet in front of Johnson as they are walking toward me, I am going toward them. As Johnson came along my driver’s side mirror I said, “why don’t you guys walk on the sidewalk?” He kept walking, as he is walking, he said, “we are almost to our destination.”
Q: Do you think he used those words destination, we are almost to our destination?
A: Yes, ma’am. He said we are almost to our destination and he pointed this direction over my vehicle. So like in a northeasternly (sic) direction. As he did that, he kept walking and Brown was starting to come around the mirror and as he came around the mirror I said, “well, what’s wrong with the sidewalk?” Brown then replied, um it has vulgar language.
Q: You can say it, say it.
A: Brown then replied, “fuck what you have to say.” And when he said that, it drew my attention totally to Brown. It was very unusual and not expected response from a simple request.
When I start looking at Brown, first thing I notice is in his right hand, his hand is full of Cigarillos. I looked in my mirror, I did a double check that Johnson was wearing a black shirt. These are the two from the stealing.
And they kept walking, as I said, they never once stopped, never got on the sidewalk, they stayed in the middle of the road.
So I got on my radio and Frank 21 is my call sign that day, I said Frank 21 I’m on Canfield with two, send me another car.
I then placed my car in reverse and backed up and I backed up just past them and then angled my vehicle, the back of my vehicle to kind of cut them off, kind of to keep them somewhat contained.

[GJ, Vol. V pp. 202-209]


Second, now we have a transcript of his direct supervisor’s testimony. Sergeant LNU* responded to the scene within minutes after the shooting and was the first person to interview him.

Question by a Prosecutor Ms. Alizadeh

Q: Did he know about it? Did he talk about knowing about the stealing?
A: He did not know anything about the stealing call.
Q: He told you he did not know anything about the stealing?
A: He did not know anything. He was out on another call in the apartment complex adjacent to Canfield Green.
[GJ, Vol. V, pp. 52-53]

Question by a GJ member

Q: Now, my question to you is this. Are you saying that because he told you he didn’t know about it or are you saying that because he didn’t mention It to you when you were talking to him?
A: He did not mention it to me again. I learned about it at a later time.
Q: Has he ever told you, yeah, I didn’t know anything about what happened up at the Ferguson Market?
A: Yes, he told me that in subsequent conversations.
Q: He told you he didn’t know about there being a stealing at the Ferguson Market?
A: Correct


[GJ, Vol. V, p. 58]


The shooting happened on Saturday, August 9, 2014. Wilson was not questioned by anyone else until after he conferred with his lawyer at the station house. Both witnesses testified before the grand jury on September 16, 2014, which was 5 weeks after the shooting.

My question is, how can anyone believe Officer Darren Wilson regarding any material issue of fact when he lied about the reason he stopped the boys to portray them as criminal thieves?



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good question for the folks who keep noiretextatique Nov 2014 #1
A good answer would be that hearsay doesn't trump actual evidence FBaggins Nov 2014 #4
not according to this post noiretextatique Nov 2014 #6
Yes, that's what the post says. The post is wrong. FBaggins Nov 2014 #10
OK...I will check that out. eom noiretextatique Nov 2014 #17
With all due respect, you are mis-stating the contents of the transcript. Wilson does not KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #31
See my #29 FBaggins Nov 2014 #34
All valid questions but all based solely on your inferences and not on anything specifically KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #40
The problem there is that it isn't "not x" FBaggins Nov 2014 #46
To re-post the 'keeper' from the OP: KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #50
Of course it is, some posters think this is a game that they have to win. Rex Nov 2014 #54
So you think he called for backup on a jaywalking stop? FBaggins Nov 2014 #56
Hunh? 367 seems almost non-sensical. (Can't seem to copy and paste, so KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #64
This dispatcher listed there didn't have any trouble interpreting it FBaggins Nov 2014 #94
I believe the Chief of Police, sorry if you don't want to look at the facts. Rex Nov 2014 #65
You mean that you believe this statement by the chief FBaggins Nov 2014 #75
Link to Dispatch Transcripts, please. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #42
See #15 below FBaggins Nov 2014 #47
And, or rather, But ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #53
Actually... that's incorrect. FBaggins Nov 2014 #61
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #85
Your first two statements contradict each other. FBaggins Nov 2014 #90
A direct conversation is not "hearsay." WinkyDink Nov 2014 #63
That's nice. This isn't a direct conversation. FBaggins Nov 2014 #70
Guess again: WinkyDink Nov 2014 #74
I'm sorry... you'll have to look up the definition of hearsay. FBaggins Nov 2014 #78
That's their foundation lie...him knowing about the store incident. FarPoint Nov 2014 #7
But if he did know, why did he stop them for jaywalking? starroute Nov 2014 #35
Bigger question deist99 Nov 2014 #91
"Admits"?? I think that word does not mean what you think it means starroute Nov 2014 #101
Whatever you think "admit" means TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #102
What do you mean "bad pot"? Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #111
They were close to home and were crossing over the streets, not R B Garr Nov 2014 #115
So in other words, the grand jury knew he lied & didn't care. crazylikafox Nov 2014 #2
the fix was in Lex Nov 2014 #3
The Grand Jury should have never heard from him in the first place... Thor_MN Nov 2014 #18
Potential defendants are usually legally entitled to give testimony before a grand jury branford Nov 2014 #27
What's worse is there is not a thing we can do but suck it up. FarPoint Nov 2014 #5
If you listen to the dispatch radio audio Lee-Lee Nov 2014 #8
You are correct Ma'am Elmergantry Nov 2014 #9
Neither has to be lying FBaggins Nov 2014 #11
Thats true technically Elmergantry Nov 2014 #12
What page are the audio transcripts on? rgbecker Nov 2014 #13
Here's a link for just the radio traffic transcript FBaggins Nov 2014 #15
No indication Wilson (21) heard call about theft. rgbecker Nov 2014 #21
You need to read a little farther FBaggins Nov 2014 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #45
Seems 22 and 25 when they last talked to Wilson were looking for a guy in Sharondale apartments. rgbecker Nov 2014 #48
Correct, Wilson has no idea who the two teens are. Some people must pretend otherwise Rex Nov 2014 #55
Hardly. The "weak narrative" here is clear FBaggins Nov 2014 #58
And a few here believe a cop deserves to get away with murder as by the desperate attempts Rex Nov 2014 #62
Don't count me with such FBaggins Nov 2014 #81
According to the audio, Wilson didn't get on the radio until noon... BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #19
Brown's family's lawyers say stop had nothing to do with convenience store theft. rgbecker Nov 2014 #24
Oh I know... BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #32
So did the Chief of Police. Repeatedly. At a press conference. nt IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #123
Unremorseful lying murdering sack of shit. lonestarnot Nov 2014 #14
Killings turbinetree Nov 2014 #16
Who is the Defense? The Cop was in this Prosecutor's mind. KeepItReal Nov 2014 #22
Defense turbinetree Nov 2014 #38
That's the way a Grand Jury works. GGJohn Nov 2014 #43
Yes, however gcomeau Nov 2014 #105
I have to agree with you on every point you make here. GGJohn Nov 2014 #107
Why the fuck is he "herding" them with his car? Cosmocat Nov 2014 #20
It doesn't seem to matter what their training is, too many cops seem to do whatever they Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2014 #103
What was said over the radio by other than Wilson does not prove shit. It proves the information was GoneFishin Nov 2014 #23
What you say to the police can and normally is used against you Johonny Nov 2014 #25
That's irrelevant gibberish. But thanks for playing. GoneFishin Nov 2014 #124
Not to mention colaborating with other officers on the way to and from Hospital... rgbecker Nov 2014 #26
Also, having a say in how long to leave the body in place until they decided if GoneFishin Nov 2014 #125
Has anyone located in the jury's transcript a testimony of the distance from Wilson to Brown? rgbecker Nov 2014 #28
Yes I did a few minutes ago. Elmergantry Nov 2014 #39
Thanks for the link on Wilson's 8'-10' testimony. rgbecker Nov 2014 #49
Thanks for posting, kpete. Reading this thread, I cannot BELIEVE truth2power Nov 2014 #30
Thanks for posting. Food for serious thought. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #37
Only in America does a black boy go on trial for his own murder. Central Scruitinizer Nov 2014 #51
"I never saw the prosecutor ask why he did not just drive away." Rex Nov 2014 #60
I agree with everything you've said... truth2power Nov 2014 #82
Sure deist99 Nov 2014 #98
Oh Good.. We need some more Law and Order Guys around here. busterbrown Nov 2014 #104
Mindset deist99 Nov 2014 #113
Boy you sure put a hell of a lot of that Cigar box Robbery don’t ya.. busterbrown Nov 2014 #116
no silly... Locrian Nov 2014 #120
Please tell me what part of my post you take issue with.. truth2power Nov 2014 #109
I used to steal 4-Lokos from gas stations Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #126
Really? deist99 Nov 2014 #112
Eighty pounds? Fumesucker Nov 2014 #118
If you have had training Central Scruitinizer Dec 2014 #127
Will there be a civil suit? libodem Nov 2014 #33
These proceedings have no bearing on any future civil suit. But why ask, when only the family knows? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #67
Why ask? libodem Nov 2014 #92
No, you're not stupid. Moosepoop Nov 2014 #108
"Robbery Had Nothing to Do with Lethal Shooting, Ferguson Police Chief Says" (Aug 15, 2014) IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #36
Yeah some here refuse to believe the Chief of Police Rex Nov 2014 #57
Wilson needs to go to prison. vkkv Nov 2014 #84
This should torque you off even more: IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #87
Transcipt deist99 Nov 2014 #99
The store owner says he did not call. Which shall I believe? IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #100
that doesn't even make sense backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #121
One of the many mysterious inconsistencies. IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #122
So which is it? dpibel Nov 2014 #114
Cherry picking deist99 Nov 2014 #119
Come on! Give Officer wilson a break ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #41
LOL ... Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #44
Is that a big word, "destination"? What synonym would you have expected? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #69
"We're just going over there" ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #88
In Vol.5 Page 202. of the transcript Wilson says as he is quoted above about 'store theft' vkkv Nov 2014 #52
Can you check your second reference? FBaggins Nov 2014 #66
Sorry, make that Vol 21 - Page 71 and 72. Dispatch says Wilson responded to theft. vkkv Nov 2014 #79
See post #36. Either the Chief of Police lied to the public (and never retracted) IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #80
That's incorrect FBaggins Nov 2014 #93
Link, please. I've got three quoting him, made over the course of days. IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #97
Okay, Vol 5. Pages 52-53 witness establablishes that Wilson did NOT KNOW about the robbery. vkkv Nov 2014 #86
FIVE MUST READ PAGES from transcript: (eg; Someone is lying) vkkv Nov 2014 #89
Yeah the Chief of Police fucked it all up for Wilson by declaring he knew nothing Rex Nov 2014 #59
"the Chief of Police fucked it all up for Wilson": Not really, as the IGNORANT GJ just showed us. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #68
Painful, but good point. Rex Nov 2014 #71
And the thing is, this contradiction, a MAJOR one, ought to have forced a trial. Instead, the GJ WinkyDink Nov 2014 #72
The DA never planned on the GJ coming back with an inditement. Rex Nov 2014 #73
God, remember how the DoJ used to act? Little Rock and Ike; U Of Alabama and JFK and the great WinkyDink Nov 2014 #76
And the Ferguson Police Chief confirms that Wilson did not know about the alleged robbery: sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #77
Will he be at least indicted for perjury? ncjustice80 Nov 2014 #83
K&R Happy Thanksgiving kpete n/t bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #95
FIVE MUST READ PAGES from transcript (Someone is lying and they are most likely the accused) vkkv Nov 2014 #96
Yes he did. Of course I EXPECTED that. nt BootinUp Nov 2014 #106
He said what he was TOLD to say,.....and still is. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #110
, blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #117
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