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SixthSense

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26. So does consenting to the status quo

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 03:24 PM

Dec 2011

For the sake of argument, let's grant that the original supposition - that Obama is the most progressive possible President that the present political system can produce.

If that is true, then certain things can never happen, absent the collapse of the government - getting out of perpetual warmaking, ending the war on drugs, reining in Wall St., ending "free" trade, restoration of civil rights (esp. Habeus Corpus), etc. etc. etc.

If any of those are important to you, or any other issue where you find yourself opposed in deed by both parties, the only logical path to those just and valid ends is to destroy the system - for as long as it exists, your will will never be represented and you have been robbed entirely of your right to self-determination.

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Obama Is The MOST PROGRESSIVE President That We Can Get In Our Current Political System [View all] Yavin4 Dec 2011 OP

I overwhelmingly disagree with that. dawg Dec 2011 #1

You and the OP both make valid points. nt gateley Dec 2011 #2

rhetoric? bwahaha! unblock Dec 2011 #11

Campaign contributions don't elect a President - voters do. dawg Dec 2011 #17

Obama Won in 2008 Because Bush Was A Horrible President Yavin4 Dec 2011 #14

True, but the point is that he *did* win. dawg Dec 2011 #19

No, he won with the rhetoric he took to the White House. TheWraith Dec 2011 #21

Of course, rhetoric is subjective ... dawg Dec 2011 #28

I disagree - karynnj Dec 2011 #22

Easily the best post I have read here in weeks. So tempered in .... banned from Kos Dec 2011 #25

Thank you nt karynnj Dec 2011 #34

Even you identify areas where reality has been to the right of perception. dawg Dec 2011 #29

Perception, yes - what he said, no karynnj Dec 2011 #38

I don't think we are far from each other on this at all. dawg Dec 2011 #41

There is very little difference between our positions karynnj Dec 2011 #45

+1 great post! unblock Dec 2011 #31

yup. nt tishaLA Dec 2011 #36

That really should slam the door on such apologetic, self-excusing twaddle PurityOfEssence Dec 2011 #30

Kinda sad ain't it? zipplewrath Dec 2011 #3

Which is why we have OWS izquierdista Dec 2011 #4

Yup zipplewrath Dec 2011 #9

no, he was elected in 2008 Enrique Dec 2011 #5

There are no electable "true" progressives. Grayson got stomped in his home district. banned from Kos Dec 2011 #6

I would suggest that more than those listed, Sherrod Brown and Tom Harken are karynnj Dec 2011 #47

Key factor: "pols were not owned lock, stock, and barrel by corporations. " rfranklin Dec 2011 #7

It's "Democratic Underground." Not "Democrat's Underground." savannah43 Dec 2011 #15

And it's "Democratic Party," not "Democrat's Party." MineralMan Dec 2011 #33

There are many politicians not owned by the corporations karynnj Dec 2011 #32

Campaigns financed by the 1 percent will never earn the confidence of the 99 percent rfranklin Dec 2011 #43

I have always been for campaign finance reform karynnj Dec 2011 #44

Unrecced. closeupready Dec 2011 #8

If we learn to fix elections like the GOP'ers do, then we can "elect" savannah43 Dec 2011 #10

I disagree. With the Democratic Party's organization and the GOP's reputation ... T S Justly Dec 2011 #12

And That Dem Would Face Rock Solid Opposition from Blue Dog Dems in the House and the Senate Yavin4 Dec 2011 #16

If that is true SixthSense Dec 2011 #13

Abandoning the Political System Outright Means That The Crazy Right Wins by Default Yavin4 Dec 2011 #20

So does consenting to the status quo SixthSense Dec 2011 #26

right - but does the op even begin to understand that? Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #37

How do you unrec'd this BS? RC Dec 2011 #18

If your perceptions were accurate, you might have a point. They're not, at all. TheWraith Dec 2011 #23

A conservative Republican then was to the Left of what is now billed as a "Liberal". RC Dec 2011 #39

You're again managing to prove you have NO understanding or perspective. TheWraith Dec 2011 #40

I'm dumbfounded. I don't know where to begin to disabuse you of your delusions. RC Dec 2011 #46

You're again managing to prove you have NO understanding or perspective. TheWraith Dec 2011 #42

I don't think that the "Current Political System"..... NCTraveler Dec 2011 #24

I agree. You have to look at the entire political system RainDog Dec 2011 #27

nope. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #35

Agreed, which is why the system has to be scrapped and a new one devised. eom tledford Dec 2011 #48