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24. Well, if *you've* done it, it must be ok.

Reply to JohLast (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 04:36 PM

Nov 2014

He was a 12 year old CHILD.

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Video of Tamir Rice being shot. Holy shit. (not graphic but wtf) ETA youtube link [View all] uppityperson Nov 2014 OP

so i guess the story about how the police tried everything and had no choice samsingh Nov 2014 #1

It is incredible and indeed, very clear wtf happened. what the fuck did they try beyond stop, bam uppityperson Nov 2014 #2

they executed a 12 year old kid samsingh Nov 2014 #37

Was that ever the story in this case? ManiacJoe Nov 2014 #38

You called it workinclasszero Nov 2014 #67

Weirdly, it was a plotline in an episode of CROSSING JORDAN several years ago. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #104

Looks like the kid went down instantly after the car stopped!!!! uponit7771 Nov 2014 #3

I read 1 article that says they yelled at him to show his hands 3 times as they drove up but I saw uppityperson Nov 2014 #5

The cop fired as soon as he stepped out of the car helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #39

Ugh, that's terrible. Cops who murdered Kajieme Powell had only slightly more interaction. PeaceNikki Nov 2014 #4

Tamir had no chance, no time. uppityperson Nov 2014 #7

The 911 caller even told dispatch they thought it was fake. PeaceNikki Nov 2014 #9

I edited, added youtube link with a bit afterwards. It is incredible. uppityperson Nov 2014 #10

I saw in some other story that supposedly the dispatcher didn't mention the "probably fake" part Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #76

it is procedure to drive right up on a person that supposedly have the gun, placing partner in the seabeyond Nov 2014 #78

I'm not defending it by any stretch, I'm saying that's probably Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #81

Are you in law enforcement or security work? helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #88

No. It is just so obvious. Nt seabeyond Nov 2014 #97

PeaceNikki that original video has haunted me since it happened Tsiyu Nov 2014 #11

Me, too, Tsiyu. Me, too. PeaceNikki Nov 2014 #14

It makes me feel better knowing I'm not the only one Tsiyu Nov 2014 #18

Me too and indeed. uppityperson Nov 2014 #16

Crazy times, uppityperson, it helps that others see it Tsiyu Nov 2014 #25

the dude that stold soda? that one stays with me too. i should not have watched. and silence. seabeyond Nov 2014 #80

It's chilling and horrifying Tsiyu Nov 2014 #90

I agree that it makes the cops avebury Nov 2014 #6

So I guess we have pre-emptive death penalty now Tsiyu Nov 2014 #8

I see no problem with the officer's response. JohLast Nov 2014 #12

You see no problem with driving up next to someone you think is dangerous? With putting yourself uppityperson Nov 2014 #13

I have responded that way several time in my career. not the best way, but it is not uncommon JohLast Nov 2014 #17

Well, if *you've* done it, it must be ok. cyberswede Nov 2014 #24

Then you need to find a different job; one where you won't be a meance to society. nt Xipe Totec Nov 2014 #28

"Not the best way" for sure and unfortunately way too common. Why the fuck put yourself into uppityperson Nov 2014 #30

active shooter response does teach you to run in and adapt as you go. JohLast Nov 2014 #36

This was not an active shooter call helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #41

This was not a "active shooter" so that has no bearing here. eom uppityperson Nov 2014 #42

it was murder. seabeyond Nov 2014 #45

This was clearly not an active shooter situation. GGJohn Nov 2014 #62

Active Troll response says Please Juries Please ACT! Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #75

Screw the jury, MIRT needs to step in. GGJohn Nov 2014 #84

They are probably talking. Here, got this from Sid a while back. uppityperson Nov 2014 #85

If what you say is true, here's a word of advice to you. A Simple Game Nov 2014 #86

Spot on. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #129

You need a different career, if you continue to endanger the public and yourself. uppityperson Nov 2014 #32

He has one..,, BronxBoy Nov 2014 #53

Which explains why rookies do things like this. uppityperson Nov 2014 #55

the reality is, it is the higher ups, that are failing the cops on the street. seabeyond Nov 2014 #57

Yep.... BronxBoy Nov 2014 #59

it totally lacks any kind of professionalism. so if you have done it, it is YOUR fail, NOT seabeyond Nov 2014 #44

Oh FFS, of course you don't have an issue with this. You have to defend your brothers. nt Logical Nov 2014 #89

HA, after seeing that damning video, even I've changed my mind, GGJohn Nov 2014 #92

good for you. There is no doubt on this one, it was an execution. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #100

I'm glad you did , we were in the same thread where we were talking about helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #101

Wow. I'm surprised. That's really surprising Number23 Nov 2014 #124

Why would you be surprised? GGJohn Nov 2014 #143

No "shots" were fired. herding cats Nov 2014 #121

fucking lol RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #169

yup. that is how we all do it. I used go to work looking for someone to shoot. JohLast Nov 2014 #35

Thank you for clarifying that is what you meant and that you are part of the problem. eom uppityperson Nov 2014 #43

Would they have done the same if it was a white kid? Hissyspit Nov 2014 #49

Unfortunately, that info wasn't passed on to the responding officers. GGJohn Nov 2014 #66

Oh, good. Hissyspit Nov 2014 #72

Also, supposedly, the dispatcher asked if the subject was black or white, GGJohn Nov 2014 #73

She did caraher Nov 2014 #174

I can't fucking believe you're laughing. Ino Nov 2014 #136

Can you talk with someone from a distance that they can't shoot you? Sorry, but that's illogical. X_Digger Nov 2014 #130

if they are so very fuggin dangerous, you do not drive so close they have a straight shot at the cop seabeyond Nov 2014 #131

Yet police often set up a distance away from problems rather than in the midst uppityperson Nov 2014 #134

Conversation involves two parties speaking to each other, no? Try reading the post. X_Digger Nov 2014 #135

Driving up next to someone you suspect has a gun and may shoot like he did endangers the uppityperson Nov 2014 #137

If the threat is perceived to be real... Oktober Nov 2014 #140

Are you serious? Have you ever seen a hostage situation, or police pull up a distance from someone uppityperson Nov 2014 #146

Which is why the flash to bang was so short... Oktober Nov 2014 #149

Which brings us back to why did they drive up so close and put themselves in danger? uppityperson Nov 2014 #151

person with a gun PAProgressive28 Nov 2014 #15

But but but...the cops fled that particular area post haste. Rex Nov 2014 #20

Well, if that Bridge Brigade, Gun-Totitn' Teabagging Hero had only been twelve years old Tsiyu Nov 2014 #27

Would you see a problem if it was your child? Xipe Totec Nov 2014 #21

Of course you don't SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #31

IF the cops were telling the truth about yelling at him to "Drop the weapon!," tblue37 Nov 2014 #40

I'm sorry but I do see a HUGE problem with this shooting. GGJohn Nov 2014 #48

That is how my opinion went also. I thought it might have been justified from seeing the gun, but uppityperson Nov 2014 #50

i am with you two. doesnt take much, but watching the video, to know it was flat out murder. nt seabeyond Nov 2014 #52

You and I and a couple of others were taking alot of flack for our view of this shooting, GGJohn Nov 2014 #58

I'll say it. You're a racist. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2014 #63

and supposedly he is the one teaching our young rookie cops. and sending them out to do the bidding. seabeyond Nov 2014 #69

Good rant, exactly. And he is teaching rookies to make those same mistakes. uppityperson Nov 2014 #70

Assuming he really is an academy instructor. cyberswede Nov 2014 #116

I do. It was shoot first, ask questions later. Gormy Cuss Nov 2014 #87

THE OFFICER'S JOB IS TO DE-ESCALATE THE SITUATION Recursion Nov 2014 #113

Not according to too many. The officer's job was to kill the person before they hurt anyone else. uppityperson Nov 2014 #147

bullshit. they shot him in 1.5 seconds noiretextatique Nov 2014 #163

It is strange that they did not even ask if it was a toy gun or not. Rex Nov 2014 #19

I feel sick. cyberswede Nov 2014 #22

Wow. That's totally damning. nt B2G Nov 2014 #23

Shoot first, shoot second, shoot some more, don't worry about asking any questions. nt MrScorpio Nov 2014 #26

The 911 caller told the dispatcher that the gun was probably fake... SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #29

You can see why the police and cop fetishists alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #33

Training 101. Assess the situation and do not put yourself in unneeded danger, like driving next to uppityperson Nov 2014 #34

Here's what gets me WolverineDG Nov 2014 #46

what gets me, is the experience cop pulls up right next to the kid, potentially dangerous, leaving seabeyond Nov 2014 #47

That's a good point..: BronxBoy Nov 2014 #61

Another question I have is the original news statement the cops made the day of the shooting. helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #51

First reports are often in error. But if they said they saw him put it away, why'd they shoot? uppityperson Nov 2014 #56

readt this helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #60

and the video shows otherwise. he stepped out of car, and shot. that article in no way corresponds seabeyond Nov 2014 #64

I know helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #65

"The officer ordered the boy to put his hands in the air." Where, when, did he do that? uppityperson Nov 2014 #68

The cop shot him as soon as his feet were planted on the ground helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #71

handsuphandsuphandsup... BAM Trekologer Nov 2014 #95

Ya but, two were while opening door and drawing gun with window up, third seabeyond Nov 2014 #96

so many tragic, preventable parts of this story ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #54

What the fuck ever! We had all kinds of toy guns with no fucking orange tips TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #93

Just because ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #102

My background is to deal with root cause rather than sift the sands for excuses TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #105

Jesus f'ing christ. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #74

The scary thing is the only DU member justifying it is a cop helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #77

that is not a cop. That is a troll playing a cop in the internets. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #79

So he's just a jackass trying to get a rise from us helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #83

Sounds like a fucking swine to me. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #94

How awful, all over a BB gun. Trigger-happy rookie officer responds to gun call LittleBlue Nov 2014 #82

wow..... Takket Nov 2014 #91

So, that's what, two black people with BB guns killed in OH in the past few months? W_HAMILTON Nov 2014 #98

the walmart one is just heart breaking. he was totally clueless, minding his own business... seabeyond Nov 2014 #99

That one I do not understand either. Did the guy who called it in, lied, ever get in trouble uppityperson Nov 2014 #110

no he was not indicted. here is a good article on it. then below that story is one on the liar. seabeyond Nov 2014 #117

A telling line from the first link... uppityperson Nov 2014 #118

A tragedy for everyone but RICTCHIE THE LIAR fucking asshole seabeyond Nov 2014 #120

I try to not use that language but sometimes it fits. And jurors, that is NOT against a DUer but the uppityperson Nov 2014 #122

oh. i think it obvious you are talking about the guy that actually caused the deaths. seabeyond Nov 2014 #125

The lying asshole in no way absolves or even slightly mitigates the crime of murder there. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #167

The last words that guy said to those fucking cops were "it's not real" Number23 Nov 2014 #126

really? i had linked to a couple stories further in this subthread. seabeyond Nov 2014 #127

Article Number23 Nov 2014 #132

thank you for posting this. nt seabeyond Nov 2014 #133

If it was real there would still be not even an iota of justification. We have a constitutional TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #168

Something to wrap your head around W T F Nov 2014 #103

I feel like we have had a bait and switch sarisataka Nov 2014 #106

"The police forced the encounter at close range" is exactly what I see. uppityperson Nov 2014 #107

The most damning part sarisataka Nov 2014 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author sarisataka Nov 2014 #109

Someone on FB called it a "drive by." joshcryer Nov 2014 #112

Cops lie. Especially after killing people. morningfog Nov 2014 #128

Can we please get a fucking indictment for once? joshcryer Nov 2014 #111

But he was scared because the young man with the gun was so close to him he had to shoot him uppityperson Nov 2014 #114

watching the video, it looked like the rookie's legs were going to give out on him. seabeyond Nov 2014 #115

the way he scrambled away on his ass then ran behind the car, he looked scared shitless. just awful. dionysus Nov 2014 #152

It is unbelievable. joshcryer Nov 2014 #119

It is not long enough to hear and respond. uppityperson Nov 2014 #148

I don't even get that logic. It isn't illegal to have a gun, even a real one so on what basis TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #165

me either. eom uppityperson Nov 2014 #166

Don't hold your breath. herding cats Nov 2014 #123

Yep. joshcryer Nov 2014 #142

what is it that I'm supposed to be seeing in this video? TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #138

Here you go with this bullshit again. bravenak Nov 2014 #139

Oh you again TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #141

Stalking. Yeah right. bravenak Nov 2014 #144

I don't understand JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #173

From where I'm sitting, the cop shot this child almost BEFORE THE DAMNED CAR HAD COME TO A STOP Number23 Nov 2014 #155

True that!! bravenak Nov 2014 #156

Noire has taken to calling the folks 'splaining and supporting this heinous crime "ghouls" Number23 Nov 2014 #157

It definately is. bravenak Nov 2014 #158

Me and you went toe to toe the other day on this subject, GGJohn Nov 2014 #159

I'm still surprised by your change of heart. But pleasantly so Number23 Nov 2014 #160

My change of heart stems for actually seeing the video, GGJohn Nov 2014 #161

I'm less impressed. If there was no video, they'd just automatically believe the pig. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #170

I wish that attitude was unique or rare, but it would appear the United States has an almost NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #164

buy a bb gun at walmart for sons bday. nt seabeyond Nov 2014 #171

Yes...anymore anyone? NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #172

They yelled as they drove up, were there less than 2 seconds before Tamir was shot. uppityperson Nov 2014 #150

he was a 12 yo playing with a toy gun, you ghoul noiretextatique Nov 2014 #153

You can't see where "the kid" is when the car pulls up, because he's already on the ground Scootaloo Nov 2014 #154

It was so fast d_r Nov 2014 #162

The gun was in his waist band Nevernose Nov 2014 #175

OMFG!! janlyn Nov 2014 #145

I have avoided watching this video-till Faux aired it this AM Boxerfan Nov 2014 #176