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54. so many tragic, preventable parts of this story

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 06:35 PM

Nov 2014

Rookie cop - lack of training and experience clearly an issue. With a training cop.

Gun that looks so real. I know some have argued about exactly how real it looks to their trained eyes, but still it looks real. Why was the orange tip gone? Why are toy guns made like that? Where did he get a toy gun that looks like that? Who thinks it's okay for a 12 year old to have such a real looking gun?

And don't get me started on the dispatcher. The dispatcher doesn't say anything about the gun maybe not being real or that it might be a child, even though the 911 caller said both of those things to her. The dispatcher said, “I’ve got a code 1, if anybody can break at Cudell. In the park by the youth center, there’s supposed to be a male sitting on the swings, pointing a gun at people." Then gives detailed description of clothes a few times.

So unbelievably tragic.

At least the Cleveland police department seems to be acting with great transparency.

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Video of Tamir Rice being shot. Holy shit. (not graphic but wtf) ETA youtube link [View all] uppityperson Nov 2014 OP

so i guess the story about how the police tried everything and had no choice samsingh Nov 2014 #1

It is incredible and indeed, very clear wtf happened. what the fuck did they try beyond stop, bam uppityperson Nov 2014 #2

they executed a 12 year old kid samsingh Nov 2014 #37

Was that ever the story in this case? ManiacJoe Nov 2014 #38

You called it workinclasszero Nov 2014 #67

Weirdly, it was a plotline in an episode of CROSSING JORDAN several years ago. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #104

Looks like the kid went down instantly after the car stopped!!!! uponit7771 Nov 2014 #3

I read 1 article that says they yelled at him to show his hands 3 times as they drove up but I saw uppityperson Nov 2014 #5

The cop fired as soon as he stepped out of the car helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #39

Ugh, that's terrible. Cops who murdered Kajieme Powell had only slightly more interaction. PeaceNikki Nov 2014 #4

Tamir had no chance, no time. uppityperson Nov 2014 #7

The 911 caller even told dispatch they thought it was fake. PeaceNikki Nov 2014 #9

I edited, added youtube link with a bit afterwards. It is incredible. uppityperson Nov 2014 #10

I saw in some other story that supposedly the dispatcher didn't mention the "probably fake" part Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #76

it is procedure to drive right up on a person that supposedly have the gun, placing partner in the seabeyond Nov 2014 #78

I'm not defending it by any stretch, I'm saying that's probably Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #81

Are you in law enforcement or security work? helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #88

No. It is just so obvious. Nt seabeyond Nov 2014 #97

PeaceNikki that original video has haunted me since it happened Tsiyu Nov 2014 #11

Me, too, Tsiyu. Me, too. PeaceNikki Nov 2014 #14

It makes me feel better knowing I'm not the only one Tsiyu Nov 2014 #18

Me too and indeed. uppityperson Nov 2014 #16

Crazy times, uppityperson, it helps that others see it Tsiyu Nov 2014 #25

the dude that stold soda? that one stays with me too. i should not have watched. and silence. seabeyond Nov 2014 #80

It's chilling and horrifying Tsiyu Nov 2014 #90

I agree that it makes the cops avebury Nov 2014 #6

So I guess we have pre-emptive death penalty now Tsiyu Nov 2014 #8

I see no problem with the officer's response. JohLast Nov 2014 #12

You see no problem with driving up next to someone you think is dangerous? With putting yourself uppityperson Nov 2014 #13

I have responded that way several time in my career. not the best way, but it is not uncommon JohLast Nov 2014 #17

Well, if *you've* done it, it must be ok. cyberswede Nov 2014 #24

Then you need to find a different job; one where you won't be a meance to society. nt Xipe Totec Nov 2014 #28

"Not the best way" for sure and unfortunately way too common. Why the fuck put yourself into uppityperson Nov 2014 #30

active shooter response does teach you to run in and adapt as you go. JohLast Nov 2014 #36

This was not an active shooter call helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #41

This was not a "active shooter" so that has no bearing here. eom uppityperson Nov 2014 #42

it was murder. seabeyond Nov 2014 #45

This was clearly not an active shooter situation. GGJohn Nov 2014 #62

Active Troll response says Please Juries Please ACT! Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #75

Screw the jury, MIRT needs to step in. GGJohn Nov 2014 #84

They are probably talking. Here, got this from Sid a while back. uppityperson Nov 2014 #85

If what you say is true, here's a word of advice to you. A Simple Game Nov 2014 #86

Spot on. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #129

You need a different career, if you continue to endanger the public and yourself. uppityperson Nov 2014 #32

He has one..,, BronxBoy Nov 2014 #53

Which explains why rookies do things like this. uppityperson Nov 2014 #55

the reality is, it is the higher ups, that are failing the cops on the street. seabeyond Nov 2014 #57

Yep.... BronxBoy Nov 2014 #59

it totally lacks any kind of professionalism. so if you have done it, it is YOUR fail, NOT seabeyond Nov 2014 #44

Oh FFS, of course you don't have an issue with this. You have to defend your brothers. nt Logical Nov 2014 #89

HA, after seeing that damning video, even I've changed my mind, GGJohn Nov 2014 #92

good for you. There is no doubt on this one, it was an execution. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #100

I'm glad you did , we were in the same thread where we were talking about helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #101

Wow. I'm surprised. That's really surprising Number23 Nov 2014 #124

Why would you be surprised? GGJohn Nov 2014 #143

No "shots" were fired. herding cats Nov 2014 #121

fucking lol RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #169

yup. that is how we all do it. I used go to work looking for someone to shoot. JohLast Nov 2014 #35

Thank you for clarifying that is what you meant and that you are part of the problem. eom uppityperson Nov 2014 #43

Would they have done the same if it was a white kid? Hissyspit Nov 2014 #49

Unfortunately, that info wasn't passed on to the responding officers. GGJohn Nov 2014 #66

Oh, good. Hissyspit Nov 2014 #72

Also, supposedly, the dispatcher asked if the subject was black or white, GGJohn Nov 2014 #73

She did caraher Nov 2014 #174

I can't fucking believe you're laughing. Ino Nov 2014 #136

Can you talk with someone from a distance that they can't shoot you? Sorry, but that's illogical. X_Digger Nov 2014 #130

if they are so very fuggin dangerous, you do not drive so close they have a straight shot at the cop seabeyond Nov 2014 #131

Yet police often set up a distance away from problems rather than in the midst uppityperson Nov 2014 #134

Conversation involves two parties speaking to each other, no? Try reading the post. X_Digger Nov 2014 #135

Driving up next to someone you suspect has a gun and may shoot like he did endangers the uppityperson Nov 2014 #137

If the threat is perceived to be real... Oktober Nov 2014 #140

Are you serious? Have you ever seen a hostage situation, or police pull up a distance from someone uppityperson Nov 2014 #146

Which is why the flash to bang was so short... Oktober Nov 2014 #149

Which brings us back to why did they drive up so close and put themselves in danger? uppityperson Nov 2014 #151

person with a gun PAProgressive28 Nov 2014 #15

But but but...the cops fled that particular area post haste. Rex Nov 2014 #20

Well, if that Bridge Brigade, Gun-Totitn' Teabagging Hero had only been twelve years old Tsiyu Nov 2014 #27

Would you see a problem if it was your child? Xipe Totec Nov 2014 #21

Of course you don't SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #31

IF the cops were telling the truth about yelling at him to "Drop the weapon!," tblue37 Nov 2014 #40

I'm sorry but I do see a HUGE problem with this shooting. GGJohn Nov 2014 #48

That is how my opinion went also. I thought it might have been justified from seeing the gun, but uppityperson Nov 2014 #50

i am with you two. doesnt take much, but watching the video, to know it was flat out murder. nt seabeyond Nov 2014 #52

You and I and a couple of others were taking alot of flack for our view of this shooting, GGJohn Nov 2014 #58

I'll say it. You're a racist. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2014 #63

and supposedly he is the one teaching our young rookie cops. and sending them out to do the bidding. seabeyond Nov 2014 #69

Good rant, exactly. And he is teaching rookies to make those same mistakes. uppityperson Nov 2014 #70

Assuming he really is an academy instructor. cyberswede Nov 2014 #116

I do. It was shoot first, ask questions later. Gormy Cuss Nov 2014 #87

THE OFFICER'S JOB IS TO DE-ESCALATE THE SITUATION Recursion Nov 2014 #113

Not according to too many. The officer's job was to kill the person before they hurt anyone else. uppityperson Nov 2014 #147

bullshit. they shot him in 1.5 seconds noiretextatique Nov 2014 #163

It is strange that they did not even ask if it was a toy gun or not. Rex Nov 2014 #19

I feel sick. cyberswede Nov 2014 #22

Wow. That's totally damning. nt B2G Nov 2014 #23

Shoot first, shoot second, shoot some more, don't worry about asking any questions. nt MrScorpio Nov 2014 #26

The 911 caller told the dispatcher that the gun was probably fake... SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #29

You can see why the police and cop fetishists alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #33

Training 101. Assess the situation and do not put yourself in unneeded danger, like driving next to uppityperson Nov 2014 #34

Here's what gets me WolverineDG Nov 2014 #46

what gets me, is the experience cop pulls up right next to the kid, potentially dangerous, leaving seabeyond Nov 2014 #47

That's a good point..: BronxBoy Nov 2014 #61

Another question I have is the original news statement the cops made the day of the shooting. helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #51

First reports are often in error. But if they said they saw him put it away, why'd they shoot? uppityperson Nov 2014 #56

readt this helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #60

and the video shows otherwise. he stepped out of car, and shot. that article in no way corresponds seabeyond Nov 2014 #64

I know helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #65

"The officer ordered the boy to put his hands in the air." Where, when, did he do that? uppityperson Nov 2014 #68

The cop shot him as soon as his feet were planted on the ground helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #71

handsuphandsuphandsup... BAM Trekologer Nov 2014 #95

Ya but, two were while opening door and drawing gun with window up, third seabeyond Nov 2014 #96

so many tragic, preventable parts of this story ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #54

What the fuck ever! We had all kinds of toy guns with no fucking orange tips TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #93

Just because ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #102

My background is to deal with root cause rather than sift the sands for excuses TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #105

Jesus f'ing christ. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #74

The scary thing is the only DU member justifying it is a cop helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #77

that is not a cop. That is a troll playing a cop in the internets. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #79

So he's just a jackass trying to get a rise from us helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #83

Sounds like a fucking swine to me. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #94

How awful, all over a BB gun. Trigger-happy rookie officer responds to gun call LittleBlue Nov 2014 #82

wow..... Takket Nov 2014 #91

So, that's what, two black people with BB guns killed in OH in the past few months? W_HAMILTON Nov 2014 #98

the walmart one is just heart breaking. he was totally clueless, minding his own business... seabeyond Nov 2014 #99

That one I do not understand either. Did the guy who called it in, lied, ever get in trouble uppityperson Nov 2014 #110

no he was not indicted. here is a good article on it. then below that story is one on the liar. seabeyond Nov 2014 #117

A telling line from the first link... uppityperson Nov 2014 #118

A tragedy for everyone but RICTCHIE THE LIAR fucking asshole seabeyond Nov 2014 #120

I try to not use that language but sometimes it fits. And jurors, that is NOT against a DUer but the uppityperson Nov 2014 #122

oh. i think it obvious you are talking about the guy that actually caused the deaths. seabeyond Nov 2014 #125

The lying asshole in no way absolves or even slightly mitigates the crime of murder there. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #167

The last words that guy said to those fucking cops were "it's not real" Number23 Nov 2014 #126

really? i had linked to a couple stories further in this subthread. seabeyond Nov 2014 #127

Article Number23 Nov 2014 #132

thank you for posting this. nt seabeyond Nov 2014 #133

If it was real there would still be not even an iota of justification. We have a constitutional TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #168

Something to wrap your head around W T F Nov 2014 #103

I feel like we have had a bait and switch sarisataka Nov 2014 #106

"The police forced the encounter at close range" is exactly what I see. uppityperson Nov 2014 #107

The most damning part sarisataka Nov 2014 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author sarisataka Nov 2014 #109

Someone on FB called it a "drive by." joshcryer Nov 2014 #112

Cops lie. Especially after killing people. morningfog Nov 2014 #128

Can we please get a fucking indictment for once? joshcryer Nov 2014 #111

But he was scared because the young man with the gun was so close to him he had to shoot him uppityperson Nov 2014 #114

watching the video, it looked like the rookie's legs were going to give out on him. seabeyond Nov 2014 #115

the way he scrambled away on his ass then ran behind the car, he looked scared shitless. just awful. dionysus Nov 2014 #152

It is unbelievable. joshcryer Nov 2014 #119

It is not long enough to hear and respond. uppityperson Nov 2014 #148

I don't even get that logic. It isn't illegal to have a gun, even a real one so on what basis TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #165

me either. eom uppityperson Nov 2014 #166

Don't hold your breath. herding cats Nov 2014 #123

Yep. joshcryer Nov 2014 #142

what is it that I'm supposed to be seeing in this video? TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #138

Here you go with this bullshit again. bravenak Nov 2014 #139

Oh you again TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #141

Stalking. Yeah right. bravenak Nov 2014 #144

I don't understand JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #173

From where I'm sitting, the cop shot this child almost BEFORE THE DAMNED CAR HAD COME TO A STOP Number23 Nov 2014 #155

True that!! bravenak Nov 2014 #156

Noire has taken to calling the folks 'splaining and supporting this heinous crime "ghouls" Number23 Nov 2014 #157

It definately is. bravenak Nov 2014 #158

Me and you went toe to toe the other day on this subject, GGJohn Nov 2014 #159

I'm still surprised by your change of heart. But pleasantly so Number23 Nov 2014 #160

My change of heart stems for actually seeing the video, GGJohn Nov 2014 #161

I'm less impressed. If there was no video, they'd just automatically believe the pig. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #170

I wish that attitude was unique or rare, but it would appear the United States has an almost NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #164

buy a bb gun at walmart for sons bday. nt seabeyond Nov 2014 #171

Yes...anymore anyone? NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #172

They yelled as they drove up, were there less than 2 seconds before Tamir was shot. uppityperson Nov 2014 #150

he was a 12 yo playing with a toy gun, you ghoul noiretextatique Nov 2014 #153

You can't see where "the kid" is when the car pulls up, because he's already on the ground Scootaloo Nov 2014 #154

It was so fast d_r Nov 2014 #162

The gun was in his waist band Nevernose Nov 2014 #175

OMFG!! janlyn Nov 2014 #145

I have avoided watching this video-till Faux aired it this AM Boxerfan Nov 2014 #176