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truth2power

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109. Please tell me what part of my post you take issue with..

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 07:56 PM

Nov 2014

Was it my anecdote about the thief at Borders? Or was it that I find the cigar issue irrelevant?

As far as the cigar issue, there's crime, and then there's crime. Just like you're not eligible for the death penalty if you steal a pack of gum, you shouldn't have to give your life for stealing a handful of cigars.

Wilson didn't act as a prudent person should, in that situation, IMO. He was the one who supposedly had all the training. He could have de-escalated (or never escalated in the first place) the situation, but he chose not to. And it beggars all credulity to believe that he approached Michael Brown and said, "Excuse me, sir, but could you please...?" He mowed Michael down in cold blood. I don't think he's cognitively capable of having considered the shitstorm he was about to stir up.

What is it they say about unintended consequences?

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Transcripts show #DarrenWilson lied to the grand jury [View all] kpete Nov 2014 OP

good question for the folks who keep noiretextatique Nov 2014 #1

A good answer would be that hearsay doesn't trump actual evidence FBaggins Nov 2014 #4

not according to this post noiretextatique Nov 2014 #6

Yes, that's what the post says. The post is wrong. FBaggins Nov 2014 #10

OK...I will check that out. eom noiretextatique Nov 2014 #17

With all due respect, you are mis-stating the contents of the transcript. Wilson does not KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #31

See my #29 FBaggins Nov 2014 #34

All valid questions but all based solely on your inferences and not on anything specifically KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #40

The problem there is that it isn't "not x" FBaggins Nov 2014 #46

To re-post the 'keeper' from the OP: KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #50

Of course it is, some posters think this is a game that they have to win. Rex Nov 2014 #54

So you think he called for backup on a jaywalking stop? FBaggins Nov 2014 #56

Hunh? 367 seems almost non-sensical. (Can't seem to copy and paste, so KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #64

This dispatcher listed there didn't have any trouble interpreting it FBaggins Nov 2014 #94

I believe the Chief of Police, sorry if you don't want to look at the facts. Rex Nov 2014 #65

You mean that you believe this statement by the chief FBaggins Nov 2014 #75

Link to Dispatch Transcripts, please. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #42

See #15 below FBaggins Nov 2014 #47

And, or rather, But ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #53

Actually... that's incorrect. FBaggins Nov 2014 #61

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #85

Your first two statements contradict each other. FBaggins Nov 2014 #90

A direct conversation is not "hearsay." WinkyDink Nov 2014 #63

That's nice. This isn't a direct conversation. FBaggins Nov 2014 #70

Guess again: WinkyDink Nov 2014 #74

I'm sorry... you'll have to look up the definition of hearsay. FBaggins Nov 2014 #78

That's their foundation lie...him knowing about the store incident. FarPoint Nov 2014 #7

But if he did know, why did he stop them for jaywalking? starroute Nov 2014 #35

Bigger question deist99 Nov 2014 #91

"Admits"?? I think that word does not mean what you think it means starroute Nov 2014 #101

Whatever you think "admit" means TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #102

What do you mean "bad pot"? Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #111

They were close to home and were crossing over the streets, not R B Garr Nov 2014 #115

So in other words, the grand jury knew he lied & didn't care. crazylikafox Nov 2014 #2

the fix was in Lex Nov 2014 #3

The Grand Jury should have never heard from him in the first place... Thor_MN Nov 2014 #18

Potential defendants are usually legally entitled to give testimony before a grand jury branford Nov 2014 #27

What's worse is there is not a thing we can do but suck it up. FarPoint Nov 2014 #5

If you listen to the dispatch radio audio Lee-Lee Nov 2014 #8

You are correct Ma'am Elmergantry Nov 2014 #9

Neither has to be lying FBaggins Nov 2014 #11

Thats true technically Elmergantry Nov 2014 #12

What page are the audio transcripts on? rgbecker Nov 2014 #13

Here's a link for just the radio traffic transcript FBaggins Nov 2014 #15

No indication Wilson (21) heard call about theft. rgbecker Nov 2014 #21

You need to read a little farther FBaggins Nov 2014 #29

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #45

Seems 22 and 25 when they last talked to Wilson were looking for a guy in Sharondale apartments. rgbecker Nov 2014 #48

Correct, Wilson has no idea who the two teens are. Some people must pretend otherwise Rex Nov 2014 #55

Hardly. The "weak narrative" here is clear FBaggins Nov 2014 #58

And a few here believe a cop deserves to get away with murder as by the desperate attempts Rex Nov 2014 #62

Don't count me with such FBaggins Nov 2014 #81

According to the audio, Wilson didn't get on the radio until noon... BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #19

Brown's family's lawyers say stop had nothing to do with convenience store theft. rgbecker Nov 2014 #24

Oh I know... BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #32

So did the Chief of Police. Repeatedly. At a press conference. nt IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #123

Unremorseful lying murdering sack of shit. lonestarnot Nov 2014 #14

Killings turbinetree Nov 2014 #16

Who is the Defense? The Cop was in this Prosecutor's mind. KeepItReal Nov 2014 #22

Defense turbinetree Nov 2014 #38

That's the way a Grand Jury works. GGJohn Nov 2014 #43

Yes, however gcomeau Nov 2014 #105

I have to agree with you on every point you make here. GGJohn Nov 2014 #107

Why the fuck is he "herding" them with his car? Cosmocat Nov 2014 #20

It doesn't seem to matter what their training is, too many cops seem to do whatever they Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2014 #103

What was said over the radio by other than Wilson does not prove shit. It proves the information was GoneFishin Nov 2014 #23

What you say to the police can and normally is used against you Johonny Nov 2014 #25

That's irrelevant gibberish. But thanks for playing. GoneFishin Nov 2014 #124

Not to mention colaborating with other officers on the way to and from Hospital... rgbecker Nov 2014 #26

Also, having a say in how long to leave the body in place until they decided if GoneFishin Nov 2014 #125

Has anyone located in the jury's transcript a testimony of the distance from Wilson to Brown? rgbecker Nov 2014 #28

Yes I did a few minutes ago. Elmergantry Nov 2014 #39

Thanks for the link on Wilson's 8'-10' testimony. rgbecker Nov 2014 #49

Thanks for posting, kpete. Reading this thread, I cannot BELIEVE truth2power Nov 2014 #30

Thanks for posting. Food for serious thought. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #37

Only in America does a black boy go on trial for his own murder. Central Scruitinizer Nov 2014 #51

"I never saw the prosecutor ask why he did not just drive away." Rex Nov 2014 #60

I agree with everything you've said... truth2power Nov 2014 #82

Sure deist99 Nov 2014 #98

Oh Good.. We need some more Law and Order Guys around here. busterbrown Nov 2014 #104

Mindset deist99 Nov 2014 #113

Boy you sure put a hell of a lot of that Cigar box Robbery don�t ya.. busterbrown Nov 2014 #116

no silly... Locrian Nov 2014 #120

Please tell me what part of my post you take issue with.. truth2power Nov 2014 #109

I used to steal 4-Lokos from gas stations Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #126

Really? deist99 Nov 2014 #112

Eighty pounds? Fumesucker Nov 2014 #118

If you have had training Central Scruitinizer Dec 2014 #127

Will there be a civil suit? libodem Nov 2014 #33

These proceedings have no bearing on any future civil suit. But why ask, when only the family knows? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #67

Why ask? libodem Nov 2014 #92

No, you're not stupid. Moosepoop Nov 2014 #108

"Robbery Had Nothing to Do with Lethal Shooting, Ferguson Police Chief Says" (Aug 15, 2014) IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #36

Yeah some here refuse to believe the Chief of Police Rex Nov 2014 #57

Wilson needs to go to prison. vkkv Nov 2014 #84

This should torque you off even more: IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #87

Transcipt deist99 Nov 2014 #99

The store owner says he did not call. Which shall I believe? IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #100

that doesn't even make sense backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #121

One of the many mysterious inconsistencies. IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #122

So which is it? dpibel Nov 2014 #114

Cherry picking deist99 Nov 2014 #119

Come on! Give Officer wilson a break ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #41

LOL ... Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #44

Is that a big word, "destination"? What synonym would you have expected? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #69

"We're just going over there" ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #88

In Vol.5 Page 202. of the transcript Wilson says as he is quoted above about 'store theft' vkkv Nov 2014 #52

Can you check your second reference? FBaggins Nov 2014 #66

Sorry, make that Vol 21 - Page 71 and 72. Dispatch says Wilson responded to theft. vkkv Nov 2014 #79

See post #36. Either the Chief of Police lied to the public (and never retracted) IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #80

That's incorrect FBaggins Nov 2014 #93

Link, please. I've got three quoting him, made over the course of days. IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #97

Okay, Vol 5. Pages 52-53 witness establablishes that Wilson did NOT KNOW about the robbery. vkkv Nov 2014 #86

FIVE MUST READ PAGES from transcript: (eg; Someone is lying) vkkv Nov 2014 #89

Yeah the Chief of Police fucked it all up for Wilson by declaring he knew nothing Rex Nov 2014 #59

"the Chief of Police fucked it all up for Wilson": Not really, as the IGNORANT GJ just showed us. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #68

Painful, but good point. Rex Nov 2014 #71

And the thing is, this contradiction, a MAJOR one, ought to have forced a trial. Instead, the GJ WinkyDink Nov 2014 #72

The DA never planned on the GJ coming back with an inditement. Rex Nov 2014 #73

God, remember how the DoJ used to act? Little Rock and Ike; U Of Alabama and JFK and the great WinkyDink Nov 2014 #76

And the Ferguson Police Chief confirms that Wilson did not know about the alleged robbery: sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #77

Will he be at least indicted for perjury? ncjustice80 Nov 2014 #83

K&R Happy Thanksgiving kpete n/t bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #95

FIVE MUST READ PAGES from transcript (Someone is lying and they are most likely the accused) vkkv Nov 2014 #96

Yes he did. Of course I EXPECTED that. nt BootinUp Nov 2014 #106

He said what he was TOLD to say,.....and still is. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #110

, blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #117