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justiceischeap

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Wed Nov 26, 2014, 08:49 PM Nov 2014

Shadow Trial: Prosecutors in Ferguson violated our right to an open criminal justice system. [View all]

This move to morph a grand jury inquiry, which is typically a short rundown of the case for the prosecution, into a trial-like parade of mountains of evidence raises serious issues about the rights of Michael Brown’s family to have a fair process for their dead son, as well as highlighting concerns about unequal treatment of different kinds of criminal defendants. But seemingly lost in this jumble of legal concerns is the fact that McCulloch’s decision to shift the truth-seeking function of a criminal trial into the secret realm of the grand jury room violated another set of constitutional rights—ours. It violated our collective public right to an open criminal justice system. And if ever there was a trial to which Americans deserved a meaningful right of access, Wilson’s trial was it. Instead, we have a post-hoc document dump.

In the 1980 case of Richmond Newspapers v. Virginia, the Supreme Court declared that the press and public have a First Amendment right of access to criminal trials. In the words of Justice William Brennan, “Open trials are bulwarks of our free and democratic government: Public access to court proceedings is one of the numerous ‘checks and balances’ of our system, because ‘contemporaneous review in the forum of public opinion is an effective restraint on possible abuse of judicial power.’ ”

This right of open trials belongs not just to the accused but to all of us. It is, the Supreme Court said in the 1986 case Press Enterprise v. Superior Court, “a shared right of the accused and the public, the common concern being the assurance of fairness.” And while those accused of crimes have a constitutional right to a “speedy and open trial,” they do not, the court has said, have a right to a private trial.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/11/ferguson_grand_jury_investigation_a_shadow_trial_violates_the_public_s_right.html?wpsrc=sh_all_mob_tw_top

When did so many of us (that's the Royal us, by the by) accept that what happened to the Brown family, and us by extension, was okay with these proceedings? I get why the racists are loving it, it gives them, in their minds, carte blanche--they get to watch black people get killed with no consequences. But does our judicial system mean so little to us that even DU'ers are proclaiming that this was fair when it so obviously wasn't? Can the one's that believe that this should have gone to trial sue? Can Brown's parent's sue because they had their Constitutional rights violated by this scam of a grand jury?

It's disheartening to see so many long-time DU'ers consider what McCulloch did as fair (and in another breath proclaim Snowden a hero). Let alone that legally, constitutionally, this family, and us, have a right to a public trial.
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Secretive, occult dealings are not justice csziggy Nov 2014 #1
I'm convinced that a trial would have done that community and many others a world of good justiceischeap Nov 2014 #2
Exactly - hiding the evidence has angered people as much as the shooting did csziggy Nov 2014 #4
Out in the open? There hasn't been a more transparent grand jury ever JonLP24 Nov 2014 #48
During the process all we had were selected leads csziggy Nov 2014 #49
Pretty much all grand jury proceedings are closed to the public JonLP24 Nov 2014 #50
I'm talking about the legal requirement of closed grand jury proceedings csziggy Nov 2014 #53
Grand juries are usually required to secret by law JonLP24 Nov 2014 #54
I meant to say "I'm NOT talking about the legal requirement of closed grand jury proceedings" csziggy Nov 2014 #55
Grand juries are not public. pipoman Nov 2014 #3
Sure, sure... if that helps you sleep better at night. justiceischeap Nov 2014 #5
I suspect he knew what the grand jury determined... pipoman Nov 2014 #8
Can you say with 100% certainty that he actually presented all the evidence to the grand jury? justiceischeap Nov 2014 #11
I trust that the grand jury heard the evidence pipoman Nov 2014 #16
Wilson, the Defendant here, was never cross examined. woolldog Nov 2014 #18
Not extraordinary or unbelievable or rare or even unusual in a grand jury proceeding. .. pipoman Nov 2014 #21
Um, yes it is. woolldog Nov 2014 #22
By whom? pipoman Nov 2014 #23
By whom? woolldog Nov 2014 #24
So he was questioned by the prosecutor? pipoman Nov 2014 #25
Yes. woolldog Nov 2014 #26
So let me make sure I have this right.... pipoman Nov 2014 #27
He conducted it as if it were a direct exam. woolldog Nov 2014 #28
Isn't it a direct examination by definition? pipoman Nov 2014 #29
He's the Defendant in the proceeding, which is captioned Missouri v. Wilson woolldog Nov 2014 #33
The defendant can always be called in a gj case pipoman Nov 2014 #35
You are completely missing the point. woolldog Nov 2014 #37
I don't believe it matters pipoman Nov 2014 #41
In other words: woolldog Nov 2014 #44
I'm not defending anything, pipoman Nov 2014 #45
Of course you are. woolldog Nov 2014 #46
Keep lying to yourself if you wish. .. pipoman Nov 2014 #47
Seriously? Again, you are wrong. woolldog Nov 2014 #52
What felony? Try "alleged" (if you can identify death penalty level felony). nt IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #17
Yes, if person 'a' runs out of a bank with alarms sounding, with a bag of money, pipoman Nov 2014 #19
Nice strawman rufus dog Nov 2014 #31
yep pipoman Nov 2014 #36
Is jaywalking now a felony? rufus dog Nov 2014 #30
Assaulting/battering a police officer is a felony pipoman Nov 2014 #32
again you got nothing rufus dog Nov 2014 #34
See, the cop gets to be the aggressor, it's his job pipoman Nov 2014 #38
Wrong rufus dog Nov 2014 #39
Have you read the transcripts? pipoman Nov 2014 #40
are you referring to the part about Wilson rufus dog Nov 2014 #43
Give up with that one. Not worth it. He's so fucking transparent. morningfog Nov 2014 #51
Someone asked me to point to what I consider open racism KitSileya Nov 2014 #57
Help him sleep? More like a wet dream. morningfog Nov 2014 #15
The whole point is that a grand jury was not the best way to handle this csziggy Nov 2014 #6
It followed Missouri criminal procedure, and again pipoman Nov 2014 #10
Michael Baden wasn't allowed to testify aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2014 #7
The problem is, since they didn't do measurements justiceischeap Nov 2014 #12
I have been asking this question a lot BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #9
The public does not have a right to have Wilson on trial Gman Nov 2014 #13
You missed the entire gist of the article justiceischeap Nov 2014 #14
No, it wasn't a trial, it was a grand jury pipoman Nov 2014 #20
'and in another breath proclaim Snowden a hero Ichingcarpenter Nov 2014 #42
nobody has a legal or constitutional right to a public trial of anyone without probable cause TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #56
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