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Vattel

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17. That means that there has to be another Grand Jury. That is simply unacceptable.

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 08:01 AM

Nov 2014

(In Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), the Supreme Court of the United States held that under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.)

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If 12 witnesses said Wilson shot at Brown as Brown ran away and only 4 witnesses denied that, [View all] Vattel Nov 2014 OP

You do not as a jury simply add up the number of accounts and rule in favor of the account with the kelly1mm Nov 2014 #1

I recognize that kelly1mm. The devil is in the details. Vattel Nov 2014 #3

SO SORRY! Did not read carefully enough! MY BAD! nt kelly1mm Nov 2014 #6

Your interpretation of my original post was very reasonable (I have now altered it). Vattel Nov 2014 #9

haha! I re read your OP and saw the change, thought I missed it the first time, and edited. kelly1mm Nov 2014 #11

Credibility is for the trial jury. Sufficency of the evidence is for the grand jury. rug Nov 2014 #5

Apparently the grand jury disagreed. Maybe jury nullification? Prosecutorial incompetence? We may kelly1mm Nov 2014 #8

I'd like to see the instructions the prosecutor gave to the grand jury. rug Nov 2014 #10

Exactly... there was more than enough here to let a jury sort it out... SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #12

The attempt at making it thousands of pages won't stop people from picking it apart. Rex Nov 2014 #2

because they didn't get any charts....they didn't get anything but a document dump VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #4

They heard the actual witnesses testifying SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #18

BUT they didn't get ANY direction from Prosecution which IS his job....you know prosecuting... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #24

I absolutely cannot understand how at least an involuntary manslaughter bill wasn't returned Recursion Nov 2014 #7

And shooting a fleeing felon is not even legal if they do not pose an immediate danger. Vattel Nov 2014 #13

The Assistant district attorneys gave the jury a copy of a statute that hasn't been legal since 1985 PDJane Nov 2014 #14

No, you have got to be kidding me. That is fucking obscene! Vattel Nov 2014 #16

It was stupid for them to even bring in the fleeing suspect issue SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #19

I keep bringing this up and will continue to do so justiceischeap Nov 2014 #20

The Michael Baden private autopsy said that a wound to the arm was consistent with Brown being shot aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2014 #26

Here's why and it is beyond appalling... Spazito Nov 2014 #15

That means that there has to be another Grand Jury. That is simply unacceptable. Vattel Nov 2014 #17

This is the statute helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #22

The problem is that was NOT the statute given the Grand Jury at the beginning of... Spazito Nov 2014 #25

damn , this is nuts helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #28

Yes, it was deliberate misdirection on the part of the two ADAs... Spazito Nov 2014 #29

This is why we have a USDOJ helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #30

Way more complicated than that madville Nov 2014 #21

I think it is important not to overlook the following crucial point: Vattel Nov 2014 #23

If the physical evidence does not match the testimony of the 12 witnesses Lurks Often Nov 2014 #27

The physical evidence doesn't contradict the claim that he was shot at while he fled. Vattel Nov 2014 #33

It was meant as a general statement Lurks Often Nov 2014 #34

Good question. I just finished reading all of the witness statements. Vattel Nov 2014 #35

And when the autopsy shows the bullets hit him in the chest and forehead? NickB79 Nov 2014 #31

You wrongly assume that they all claimed that he was shot as he fled. Vattel Nov 2014 #32