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JonLP24

(29,922 posts)
50. Pretty much all grand jury proceedings are closed to the public
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 05:55 PM
Nov 2014

I'm not aware of one that wasn't.

Releasing all transcripts, documents, and audio evidence is unusual and not aware of a similar case. It isn't a secret that grand juries are secret.

As far as misconduct, you do realize the rules are different as far as instructions? Prosecutors can also ask leading questions & present illegally obtained evidence that wouldn't be used in a regular trial

I'll have to watch the Lawrence video but from the gist I imagine it has something to do with this

“So, the statute I gave you,” said Assistant Prosecuting Attorney Kathi Alizadeh, “if you want to fold that in half just so that, you know, don't necessarily rely on that because there is a portion of that that doesn't comply with the law.”

It’s not every day that a prosecutor tells a grand jury to ignore the state law, but there was a good reason for Alizadeh and Assistant Prosecuting Attorney Sheila Whirley to deliver the message. The Missouri law would allow police to kill an unarmed suspect fleeing a felony, even though the U.S. Supreme Court has said that is unconstitutional.

Legal experts and some state legislators say changing the state law is one of the most obvious reforms that could be put in place to address issues raised by the death of Michael Brown at the hands of Officer Wilson.

Chad Flanders, a Saint Louis University law professor, said, “There’s an important point about Missouri law which we should all agree on: The Missouri statute on law enforcement officer’s use of force needs to be changed, and now.”

<snip>

The strange moment in the grand jury came last Friday around 3 p.m. as Whirley was explaining to the grand jury the law as it should apply in deciding whether to indict Wilson. According to the transcript of the hearings, this is what transpired:

“Real quick, can I interrupt about something?” interjected Alizadeh. “Previously, in the very beginning of this process, I printed out a statute for you that was, the statute in Missouri for the use of force to affect an arrest.

“So if you all want to get those out. What we have discovered, and we have been going along with this, doing our research, is that the statute in the State of Missouri does not comply with the case law.

“....And so the statute for the use of force to affect an arrest in the state of Missouri does not comply with Missouri Supreme Court, I'm sorry United States Supreme Court cases....

“So the statute I gave you, if you want to fold that in half just so that you know don't necessarily rely on that because there is a portion of that that doesn't comply with the law.

“…I don't want you to get confused and don’t rely on that copy or that print-out of the statute that I've given you a long time ago.”

A grand juror asks, “So we’re to disregard this?”

Alizadehanswers: “It is not entirely incorrect or inaccurate, but there is something in it that’s not correct, ignore it totally.”

When a grand juror asks more questions,

Whirley chimes in, “We don’t want to get into a law class.”
http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/grand-jury-wrangled-confusing-instructions

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Secretive, occult dealings are not justice csziggy Nov 2014 #1
I'm convinced that a trial would have done that community and many others a world of good justiceischeap Nov 2014 #2
Exactly - hiding the evidence has angered people as much as the shooting did csziggy Nov 2014 #4
Out in the open? There hasn't been a more transparent grand jury ever JonLP24 Nov 2014 #48
During the process all we had were selected leads csziggy Nov 2014 #49
Pretty much all grand jury proceedings are closed to the public JonLP24 Nov 2014 #50
I'm talking about the legal requirement of closed grand jury proceedings csziggy Nov 2014 #53
Grand juries are usually required to secret by law JonLP24 Nov 2014 #54
I meant to say "I'm NOT talking about the legal requirement of closed grand jury proceedings" csziggy Nov 2014 #55
Grand juries are not public. pipoman Nov 2014 #3
Sure, sure... if that helps you sleep better at night. justiceischeap Nov 2014 #5
I suspect he knew what the grand jury determined... pipoman Nov 2014 #8
Can you say with 100% certainty that he actually presented all the evidence to the grand jury? justiceischeap Nov 2014 #11
I trust that the grand jury heard the evidence pipoman Nov 2014 #16
Wilson, the Defendant here, was never cross examined. woolldog Nov 2014 #18
Not extraordinary or unbelievable or rare or even unusual in a grand jury proceeding. .. pipoman Nov 2014 #21
Um, yes it is. woolldog Nov 2014 #22
By whom? pipoman Nov 2014 #23
By whom? woolldog Nov 2014 #24
So he was questioned by the prosecutor? pipoman Nov 2014 #25
Yes. woolldog Nov 2014 #26
So let me make sure I have this right.... pipoman Nov 2014 #27
He conducted it as if it were a direct exam. woolldog Nov 2014 #28
Isn't it a direct examination by definition? pipoman Nov 2014 #29
He's the Defendant in the proceeding, which is captioned Missouri v. Wilson woolldog Nov 2014 #33
The defendant can always be called in a gj case pipoman Nov 2014 #35
You are completely missing the point. woolldog Nov 2014 #37
I don't believe it matters pipoman Nov 2014 #41
In other words: woolldog Nov 2014 #44
I'm not defending anything, pipoman Nov 2014 #45
Of course you are. woolldog Nov 2014 #46
Keep lying to yourself if you wish. .. pipoman Nov 2014 #47
Seriously? Again, you are wrong. woolldog Nov 2014 #52
What felony? Try "alleged" (if you can identify death penalty level felony). nt IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #17
Yes, if person 'a' runs out of a bank with alarms sounding, with a bag of money, pipoman Nov 2014 #19
Nice strawman rufus dog Nov 2014 #31
yep pipoman Nov 2014 #36
Is jaywalking now a felony? rufus dog Nov 2014 #30
Assaulting/battering a police officer is a felony pipoman Nov 2014 #32
again you got nothing rufus dog Nov 2014 #34
See, the cop gets to be the aggressor, it's his job pipoman Nov 2014 #38
Wrong rufus dog Nov 2014 #39
Have you read the transcripts? pipoman Nov 2014 #40
are you referring to the part about Wilson rufus dog Nov 2014 #43
Give up with that one. Not worth it. He's so fucking transparent. morningfog Nov 2014 #51
Someone asked me to point to what I consider open racism KitSileya Nov 2014 #57
Help him sleep? More like a wet dream. morningfog Nov 2014 #15
The whole point is that a grand jury was not the best way to handle this csziggy Nov 2014 #6
It followed Missouri criminal procedure, and again pipoman Nov 2014 #10
Michael Baden wasn't allowed to testify aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2014 #7
The problem is, since they didn't do measurements justiceischeap Nov 2014 #12
I have been asking this question a lot BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #9
The public does not have a right to have Wilson on trial Gman Nov 2014 #13
You missed the entire gist of the article justiceischeap Nov 2014 #14
No, it wasn't a trial, it was a grand jury pipoman Nov 2014 #20
'and in another breath proclaim Snowden a hero Ichingcarpenter Nov 2014 #42
nobody has a legal or constitutional right to a public trial of anyone without probable cause TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #56
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