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Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
12. "Failed to hold those responsible for past torture and other cruelty accountable; has blocked
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 12:19 PM
Apr 2012

alleged victims of torture from having their day in court."

I realize that your sense of loyalty is very overzealous and you are a bit naive and in denial about the current and recent cicil liberty failures on the part of this administration, but even with the Kool-aid high one would think at least that last sentence would bother you, at least a little.

Remember, not all of us want to live in a police state that can strip search you over a traffic ticket and have you locked up or killed without charges if someone in the administration applies a simple label to your name. Not everyone is comfortable with the idea that all our emails and phone calls are being captured without warrents or probable cause, and not all of us feel that the rule of law should not apply to the political elite (or the financial elite for that matter).

Many of us consider all of these things to be less than Democratic and quite harmful to the country and it's citizens.

If you wonder why people complain about these things then you are failing to understand that this is not the country promised by our constitutuion and we would rather have our liberties and rule of law back before it is too late to get them back.

I can not for the life of me understand why an intelligent person such as yourself would just shrug off the loss of liberty so easily over one politician.

I hope you become less naive in the future and put country first, rather than the career of one politician.

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Some truth there. Autumn Apr 2012 #1
This was ProSense Apr 2012 #2
"Failed to hold those responsible for past torture and other cruelty accountable; has blocked Dragonfli Apr 2012 #12
Please do ProSense Apr 2012 #14
I think that is good advice, so please feel free to get over yourself as well Dragonfli Apr 2012 #18
Clearly ProSense Apr 2012 #21
The difference is, I stopped drinking kool-aid and started listening to my reason Dragonfli Apr 2012 #23
Hear, hear...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #24
. Dragonfli Apr 2012 #25
To be fair, Clinton didn't do those things, they were done by Repubs. Sirveri Apr 2012 #48
To be fair he did support all three of those things and rallied blue dog votes to help Dragonfli Apr 2012 #49
That's a fair point. I'm used to arguing with Repubs about it. Sirveri Apr 2012 #50
Understandable, the Republicans like to take credit for the balanced budget as well Dragonfli Apr 2012 #51
Hear, hear. nt woo me with science Apr 2012 #15
This was also progressoid Apr 2012 #27
So was ProSense Apr 2012 #28
Oh, I'm sorry. progressoid Apr 2012 #29
Please ProSense Apr 2012 #3
Du rec. Nt xchrom Apr 2012 #4
du wreck indeed Whisp Apr 2012 #5
No comment. MineralMan Apr 2012 #6
This was posted yesterday Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #7
i missed it..some of us dont get here everyday..rec because the truth is good enough xiamiam Apr 2012 #8
Well, carry on then Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #10
Good. woo me with science Apr 2012 #11
I am having deja true! Kick for the truth! Dragonfli Apr 2012 #13
I didn't see it but glad to hear that! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #16
DU rec. Thanks for continuing to push against the denial. woo me with science Apr 2012 #9
One party, two faces - one friendlier looking than the other... polichick Apr 2012 #57
tell me, do you ever post anything about Romney or is it just Obama you can't stand? WI_DEM Apr 2012 #17
You mean like this anti-Romney one I posted yesterday? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #20
yeah, yeah, etc.... Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #30
It is bipartisan. Wake up and look at the fucking record. woo me with science Apr 2012 #22
La, La, La, La, La, La... I can't hear you La, La, La, La, La hughee99 Apr 2012 #19
True enough, but do you think Mittens will be any better? truebrit71 Apr 2012 #26
No. He might build on Obama's actions just as Obama built on Dubya's. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #31
Right ProSense Apr 2012 #32
Sorry ProSense but picking up many Obama policies IS the same as picking up from Bush... truebrit71 Apr 2012 #35
Sorry, ProSense Apr 2012 #40
And I disagree... truebrit71 Apr 2012 #42
Right, ProSense Apr 2012 #43
We know, you do it all the time. TransitJohn Apr 2012 #64
How has it been going? Up to this point it's been an abject failure... truebrit71 Apr 2012 #34
You're right. Obama might change, especially since he wouldn't be up for re-election in 2016. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #39
As an aside (not meant to distract from, or discourage an answer from the poster you replied to) Dragonfli Apr 2012 #41
There is no need to apologize. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #46
Prediction: "Grand Bargain" will be the buzzword again after November. Marr Apr 2012 #52
I agree we have a better chance of convincing President Obama that is Constitution is worth sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #33
+, well said Sabrina /nt Dragonfli Apr 2012 #38
Democrats need to represent a stark difference from Republicans... polichick Apr 2012 #54
I think they used to, before reagan. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #65
Disposing of our civil liberties is for our own good. Didn't you get the memo from the DNC/RNC? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #36
Kick, we need to make civil liberties a campaign issue if we are to influence our candidate Dragonfli Apr 2012 #37
K&R DisabledDem Apr 2012 #44
DURec, bvar22 Apr 2012 #45
The Ever-Expanding Surveillance State That Has Grown Under Obama Better Believe It Apr 2012 #47
keep trying... dionysus Apr 2012 #53
It's horrifying and inexplicable. polichick Apr 2012 #55
Another cut and paste drive by. cliffordu Apr 2012 #56
Ctrl-V for Victory!!... SidDithers Apr 2012 #58
rofl cliffordu Apr 2012 #60
A victory for blind denial is hardly to be celebrated. polichick Apr 2012 #61
Interesting that you cannot dispute the facts presented... polichick Apr 2012 #59
It's easier to just do what the Bushies used to do. Marr Apr 2012 #62
Good point - but kinda creepy to see that here. polichick Apr 2012 #63
Oh... The Marchers Here Have Been Practicing... And They Are Almost In Lock-Step... WillyT Apr 2012 #66
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