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grahamhgreen

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Fri Nov 28, 2014, 10:01 PM Nov 2014

Spitting on the Troops: Old Myth, New Rumors [View all]

I'm so tired of this old disinformation campaign used to discredit anti-war demonstrators (don't ask) From VVAW 2003:

Many of the current stories are accompanied by stories of spat-upon Vietnam veterans. The recent story of spitting in Asheville, for example, was traced to a local businessman who says he is a veteran who was also spat upon and called a "baby killer" when he returned from Vietnam. An Associated Press story of April 9 reported stories of spat-upon Vietnam veterans surfacing in several cities including Spicer, Minnesota whose mayor said he was spat upon in the San Francisco airport while coming home from Vietnam in 1971.

Similar stories became quite popular during the Gulf War of 1991 which raised my curiosity about where they came from and why they were believed. There is nothing in the historical record — news or police reports, for example — suggesting they really happened. In fact, the Veterans Administration commissioned a Harris Poll in 1971 that found 94% of Vietnam veterans reporting friendly homecomings from their age-group peers who had not served in the military. Moreover, the historical record is rich with the details of solidarity and mutuality between the anti-war movement and Vietnam veterans. The real truth, in other words, is that anti-war activists reached out to Vietnam veterans and veterans joined the movement in large numbers.

Stories of spat-upon Vietnam veterans are bogus. Born out of accusations made by the Nixon administration, they were enlivened in popular culture (recall Rambo saying he was spat on by those maggots at the airport) and enhanced in the imaginations of Vietnam-generation men — some veterans, some not. The stories besmirch the reputation of the anti-war movement and help construct an alibi for why we lost the war: had it not been for the betrayal by liberals in Washington and radicals in the street, we could have defeated the Vietnamese. The stories also erase from public memory the image, discomforting to some Americans, of Vietnam veterans who helped end the carnage they had been part of.

The facsimiles of spat-upon veteran stories that are surfacing now confuse the public dialogue surrounding the war. Debate about the war itself and the politics that got us into it is being displaced by the phony issue of who supports the troops. Everyone supports the troops and wishes them a safe and speedy homecoming. It's the mission they have been sent on that is dividing the nation and it is the mission that we have a right and obligation to question.

The "support the troops" symbolism also comes with a hidden agenda, a subtext that is about the anti-war movement. Understandably, the war brings a lot of emotion to the surface and some of that feeling stems from frustration with the economy, a sense of helplessness in the face of large-scale social and technological change, and fear that cherished American values are being lost. For some people, the real war is the war at home and the enemy coalition comes bundled for them in the anti-war movement. The redirection of their legitimate anger about the deteriorating quality of life in America onto peace activists is shortsighted scapegoating that won't solve problems.

The truth is that nobody spat on Vietnam veterans and nobody is spitting on the soldiers today. Attempts to silence opponents of the war with those figments of hostility are dishonest and should, themselves, be banished from our discourse.

http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=350



Out of Iraq, already. Or, you got a good reason for us to be there???? 'splain it like I'm 5.




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I only heard one of those stories directly from a vet Warpy Nov 2014 #1
It did happen, but, AFAIK, not at any demos, and not that often, GGJohn Nov 2014 #3
I was called 'Baby-killer' on my first pass from the SF Army hospital treating me for my wounds pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #28
Excellent reply, thank pinboy3niner. Scuba Nov 2014 #29
Great post. GGJohn Nov 2014 #34
The vets Ive spoken to are the most anti war of all. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #13
So was my friend Warpy Nov 2014 #15
Didn't Ann Coulter come up with a spat on story that was shot down in flames a few years brewens Nov 2014 #2
It did happen, but the instances were few and far between. GGJohn Nov 2014 #4
Maybe. Any prosecutions you know of? I mean maybe a guy getting spat on and beating the crap out brewens Nov 2014 #5
I can't postively confirm it, but one of my chopper bud's said it happened at SFO as he was GGJohn Nov 2014 #7
"Few and far between..." not really.Ono cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #20
Nobody spit on me because.... Brother Buzz Nov 2014 #6
Brother, not anymore! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #14
The spitting on stories are either all bogus, SheilaT Nov 2014 #8
It didn't happen to me or anyone I know/knew. jaysunb Nov 2014 #9
it's always been hard for me to fathom G_j Nov 2014 #32
As with any movement, you'll always have rogue members, GGJohn Nov 2014 #33
Think about it.... Bigmack Nov 2014 #10
ROFL grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #16
A drafted army versus today's volunteer army. Festivito Nov 2014 #11
I think it happened joeglow3 Nov 2014 #12
Do you have a copy of the interview? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #21
I wish joeglow3 Nov 2014 #35
Lots of people NEED it to be false. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #22
We've gotten the baby killer bit in the modern day... Oktober Nov 2014 #17
No one is more guilty than we who sent you. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #18
That one was during the occupy days.. Oktober Nov 2014 #19
The baby killer claims go all the way back to WWI. irisblue Nov 2014 #31
I believe it happened, but not a lot. blue neen Nov 2014 #23
The vets were mostly draftees. delrem Nov 2014 #24
Yes, I believe that's what I said.... blue neen Nov 2014 #25
But it did happen in isolated cases. GGJohn Nov 2014 #36
Of course. But that isn't how the anti-war movement has been characterized. delrem Nov 2014 #37
I agree. GGJohn Nov 2014 #38
the true spitting onethatcares Nov 2014 #26
My father was in Vietnam FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #27
I was never spit on when I came home. . B Calm Nov 2014 #30
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