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pinboy3niner

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28. I was called 'Baby-killer' on my first pass from the SF Army hospital treating me for my wounds
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:57 AM
Nov 2014

I was hospitalized for 18 months at Letterman Army Hospital in San Francisco before being retired from the Army for disability.

Passions were high, and there were people in the antiwar movement who abused Vietnam vets at the same time that the movement was welcoming antiwar vets into their ranks and allying with VVAW (Vietnam Veterans Against the War, organized by disabled VN vet Bobby Muller).

People who weren't there get rabid about crying 'myth!' based on a book that labeled spitting reports as false. When I read the book many years ago, I was struck by how dishonest it was.

The context at that time was that the Right was trying to smear the Left and the antiwar movement as anti-VN veterans. So a Leftist VN vet college prof wrote a book to purify the movement and defend it against those attacks. The resulting work was highly disingenuous, but ended up being cited as gospel by many on lthe left who accepted it unquestioningly.

I think the whole notion that the antiwar movement must be proved to be perfectly pure and always righteous is ridiculous. As with any movement--Occupy or Ferguson or anything else--it's not like you submit an application and get vetted and get training and a membership card. The movement is those who show up, and not all will behave perfectly.

Shit, I was on the receiving end of the slurs and I get it. And those names really hurt. Not so much for me...I was thinking of the guys in my platoon back in Vietnam and the meatgrinder they were going through. I didn't know who or how many would make it back alive, and that's what made those names hurled at returning troops really hurt.

But I cannot for the life of me see how recognizing the reality of what actually happened to us, including bad treatment by the movement in some cases, invalidates the antiwar movement in any way.

What still feels like crap today is that too many are so eager to invalidate our experiences without even listening to us. We're just being used--and abused again--by some who want to force our experience and our history to align perfectly with their partisan and ideological views.

I hate this shit but at the same time I have to laugh when I see the same old spitting arguments raised again as if this is what our conclusions about the war and the movement depend on. Really?

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I only heard one of those stories directly from a vet Warpy Nov 2014 #1
It did happen, but, AFAIK, not at any demos, and not that often, GGJohn Nov 2014 #3
I was called 'Baby-killer' on my first pass from the SF Army hospital treating me for my wounds pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #28
Excellent reply, thank pinboy3niner. Scuba Nov 2014 #29
Great post. GGJohn Nov 2014 #34
The vets Ive spoken to are the most anti war of all. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #13
So was my friend Warpy Nov 2014 #15
Didn't Ann Coulter come up with a spat on story that was shot down in flames a few years brewens Nov 2014 #2
It did happen, but the instances were few and far between. GGJohn Nov 2014 #4
Maybe. Any prosecutions you know of? I mean maybe a guy getting spat on and beating the crap out brewens Nov 2014 #5
I can't postively confirm it, but one of my chopper bud's said it happened at SFO as he was GGJohn Nov 2014 #7
"Few and far between..." not really.Ono cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #20
Nobody spit on me because.... Brother Buzz Nov 2014 #6
Brother, not anymore! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #14
The spitting on stories are either all bogus, SheilaT Nov 2014 #8
It didn't happen to me or anyone I know/knew. jaysunb Nov 2014 #9
it's always been hard for me to fathom G_j Nov 2014 #32
As with any movement, you'll always have rogue members, GGJohn Nov 2014 #33
Think about it.... Bigmack Nov 2014 #10
ROFL grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #16
A drafted army versus today's volunteer army. Festivito Nov 2014 #11
I think it happened joeglow3 Nov 2014 #12
Do you have a copy of the interview? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #21
I wish joeglow3 Nov 2014 #35
Lots of people NEED it to be false. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #22
We've gotten the baby killer bit in the modern day... Oktober Nov 2014 #17
No one is more guilty than we who sent you. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #18
That one was during the occupy days.. Oktober Nov 2014 #19
The baby killer claims go all the way back to WWI. irisblue Nov 2014 #31
I believe it happened, but not a lot. blue neen Nov 2014 #23
The vets were mostly draftees. delrem Nov 2014 #24
Yes, I believe that's what I said.... blue neen Nov 2014 #25
But it did happen in isolated cases. GGJohn Nov 2014 #36
Of course. But that isn't how the anti-war movement has been characterized. delrem Nov 2014 #37
I agree. GGJohn Nov 2014 #38
the true spitting onethatcares Nov 2014 #26
My father was in Vietnam FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #27
I was never spit on when I came home. . B Calm Nov 2014 #30
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