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Octafish

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116. CIA and Cuba are cause for dismantling the Agency.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:04 PM
Nov 2014
JFK Conference: Dan Hardway Detailed how CIA Obstructed HSCA Investigation

Last year, I attended "Passing the Torch: An International Symposium on the 50th Anniversary of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" at Duquesne University in October.

One of the important speakers there I was privileged to hear is attorney Dan L. Hardway, whose program was entitled "A View from the Trenches: The HSCA and the CIA." Mr. Hardway once served as a staff investigator and researcher for the House Select Committee on Assassinations.



A body formed by the House of Representatives in 1976, the HSCA was founded to investigate the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. In brief, the HSCA was to follow up on information that the Church Committee in the Senate and the Pike Committee in the House -- and other Congressional investigations after Watergate -- uncovered, including the startling revelations that the CIA and the Mafia conspired to murder foreign leaders, starting in 1960 with Patrice Lumumba in Congo and later that year to include Fidel Castro in Cuba. Mr. Hardway's work included interviewing people and researching documents related to the Central Intelligence Agency, including their connections to Lee Harvey Oswald.

The record shows, Mr. Hardway said, that within 24 hours of the assassination of President Kennedy, an anti-Castro organization in Miami, the Directorio Revolucionario Estudantil (DRE, an acronym based on the Spanish phrase for Directorate of Revolutionary Students) began to issue information to the United States press that linked Lee Harvey Oswald to Fidel Castro. The information included an episode in New Orleans where Oswald was handing out pro-Castro literature to passers-by in his "role" as chapter head of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. During the leafleting, DRE members confronted Oswald, pushing him around and calling him a communist dupe. The police were called and arrested Oswald, who was not belligerent and had not initiated the confrontation.

This episode in New Orleans was even more important to Hardway and the HSCA than he knew in 1977 when he first began to investigate it. The reason: George Joannides, the intelligence officer the CIA assigned to serve as liaison to the HSCA in the late 1970s, also was in charge of paying almost $450,000 a month (in today's dollars) to the DRE in 1963. This vital information was not made known to the HSCA, nor to the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) in the 1990s.

Below are Mr. Hardway's words, including a partial transcription of his presentation at Duquesne, and some observations on why his testimony is vitally important for our future as a democracy.



…If (the “Oswald, the Pro-Castro Commie” story) was that coordinated, that quick, and as detailed, it would be reasonable to infer that it had been laid on in advance. I set out to identify the sources of these stories that came out immediately after the assassination with detailed information on Oswald and his pro-Castro activities. I started asking for the CIA files on all those sources. I got a lot of them before we lost access, but I did not get them all. That was one of the things I was really pressing on, when I got shut down.

In the same period, I also found a reference to a CIA debriefing of Johnny Roselli, after Drew Pearson published his piece about Castro turning the assassins sent to kill him around and sending them back to kill Kennedy. I asked for the records about the debriefing that was part of what I was looking into with Bill Harvey. That's how I came across that. I very clearly remember some of the details about this. The debriefing happened at a CIA safe house over a period of two weeks in 1967. Sheffield Edwards was one of the debriefers. He was brought out of retirement, I think in order to do that, I think I remember that he was brought out of retirement.

And that was when the CIA changed the procedures on us. They brought George Joannides out of retirement to be the new liaison for me and Ed (Edwin L. Lopez), primarily. He closed our office at Langley. The agency set up a safe room for us to use as committee offices. I no longer had direct contact with any CIA employees to request files. All further requests for documents and files had to be in writing and approved through official channels. Files (we requested) were not produced for weeks after being requested. My whole inquiry into areas outside and inside the scope of my portfolio ground to a halt. We soon thereafter lost unexpurgated access and perk…

Long and short on the Rosselli debriefing: I was told eventually -- I was given expurgated access to it. As a matter of fact, it was the first expurgated document I was handed. It happened out at the old meeting room that I had at the CIA. It was one of the few times that I am sure I met George Joannides. Ed remembers meeting him a lot. I don't remember meeting that many times, but I know I met him that time because when I walked in, it was just me, him, and Scott Breckenridge.

They handed me the file. It was about 2-inches, 2-and-a-half-inches thick. I sat down at the desk and they stood there, grinning, which struck me as unusual, and I thought maybe they don't trust me to look at the file without them present, because usually whoever delivered the file (in the past) would leave and let me work on them. And they were standing there, grinning in anticipation. And I opened it. And not only was the document expurgated, instead of taking the document and blacking out the lines on the copy, which is what they always did, they had retyped the whole document leaving white spaces where things were left out.

I blew up. I left. And, uh. They agreed, after the committee issued a subpoena, they agreed to let Gary Cornwall see it, unexpurgated. Gary went out there one day in the middle of trying to get the final report written, with 20 things on his agenda to get done. He stayed maybe two hours. He was out of the office about two hours. I know because I was waiting for him to get back, because I wanted to find out what he'd seen. And when he came back in he said, “It doesn't have anything to do with what you're working on for the final report. Forget it.” And that was the end of it.

That was the end of it until I went before the Assassination Records Review Board, which I was subpoenaed before to testify. And after they'd asked me about all the documents they wanted to ask me about, they asked me if there was anything else that they should ask me about that they had not asked me about. I told them about the debriefing of Johnny Roselli, about Sheffield Edwards' involvement, about Harvey, leaving the (inaudible) with the Harvey files. They (ARRB) said they would search for that, because it certainly sounded interesting and relevant and something that should be disclosed. They later had the kindness to get back to me, to tell me there was no record of any such file having ever existed or having ever been requested by the House Select Committee on Assassinations...



The George Joannides case shows the lengths to which the CIA went to stonewall the HSCA investigation. That's not just what Mr. Hardway said, it's what G. Robert Blakey, the chief counsel and staff director of the HSCA said:



I am no longer confident that the Central Intelligence Agency co-operated with the committee...

SNIP...

I was not told of Joannides’ background with the DRE, a focal point of the investigation. Had I known who he was, he would have been a witness who would have been interrogated under oath by the staff or by the committee. He would never have been acceptable as a point of contact with us to retrieve documents. In fact, I have now learned, as I note above, that Joannides was the point of contact between the Agency and DRE during the period Oswald was in contact with DRE.

That the Agency would put a “material witness” in as a “filter” between the committee and its quests for documents was a flat out breach of the understanding the committee had with the Agency that it would co-operate with the investigation.

The committee’s researchers immediately complained to me that Joannides was, in fact, not facilitating but obstructing our obtaining of documents. I contacted Breckinridge and Joannides. Their side of the story wrote off the complaints to the young age and attitude of the people.

They were certainly right about one question: the committee’s researchers did not trust the Agency. Indeed, that is precisely why they were in their positions. We wanted to test the Agency’s integrity. I wrote off the complaints. I was wrong; the researchers were right. I now believe the process lacked integrity precisely because of Joannides.

SNIP...

Significantly, the Warren Commission’s conclusion that the agencies of the government co-operated with it is, in retrospect, not the truth.

CONTINUED...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/biographies/oswald/interview-g-robert-blakey/#addendum



Federal Judge John Tunheim, who headed the ARRB panel, the government body charged with finding, reviewing and releasing all pertinent JFK and MLK assassination records, said he was very surprised to learn to what extend the CIA went to obstruct HSCA Congressional investigators, the ARRB and the law:

“It really was an example of treachery,” Tunheim said in a recent interview of the CIA’s handling of the Joannides affair. “If (the CIA) fooled us on that, they may have fooled us on other things.”

SOURCE: http://www.bostonglobe.com/2013/11/25/government-still-withholding-thousands-documents-jfk-assassination/PvBM2PCgW1H11vadQ4Wp4H/story.html

What other things? What Assange revealed?

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Assange looks like Gandalf. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #1
Co-incidence? You decide! dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #5
he should borrow Gandalf's belt snooper2 Dec 2014 #191
k/r nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #2
+1 daleanime Nov 2014 #7
"Assange claims" ... "where he fears" -- there's far too much bias in that phrasing starroute Nov 2014 #3
YOU are suggesting whatever dove-tails with your view. randome Nov 2014 #4
Evidence.... dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #11
Truth ... ucrdem Nov 2014 #27
The U.S. is happy where he is hack89 Nov 2014 #8
PoliceLeaks Octafish Nov 2014 #107
Alternate Headline: "Chomsky supports accused rapist". riqster Nov 2014 #6
And one by one we through the voices of Democracy under the bus. zeemike Nov 2014 #10
Not everyone who comments here is a friend of DU. n/t dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #13
And you are right. zeemike Nov 2014 #21
So calling an accused criminal an accused criminal makes one a non-friend of DU? riqster Nov 2014 #25
They can't handle the facts, riqster.. and you're sure a friend of Cha Nov 2014 #58
Yes, because democracy exists for men only BainsBane Nov 2014 #14
Well said. riqster Nov 2014 #19
Oh bullshit. zeemike Nov 2014 #20
You were in the room when the sex acts took place? riqster Nov 2014 #23
Well the facts are known zeemike Nov 2014 #24
So the Swedish justice system is pursuing the matter for what reason? riqster Nov 2014 #28
For the reason to put him in the hands of the Americans zeemike Nov 2014 #32
Uh-huh. Evidence supporting your thesis? riqster Nov 2014 #33
Chelsea Manning. zeemike Nov 2014 #37
Those are American judicial and legislative actions/atrocities. Not Swedish. riqster Nov 2014 #42
And it will be Assange's fate if he is extradited. zeemike Nov 2014 #44
I can't agree without some factual basis. Sweden plays it pretty straight as a rule. riqster Nov 2014 #45
It very silly to think he would have to go to Sweden 1st to get to the US.. EX500rider Nov 2014 #49
the UK can't touch him passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #206
Unlawful coercion, sexual molestation (two counts), and rape hack89 Nov 2014 #51
You don't know the facts of the case... SidDithers Nov 2014 #57
"emotion is used as a tool" to "divide us up" YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #79
And I understand you just fine. zeemike Nov 2014 #88
He is a rapist in the mind of the woman assaulted BainsBane Nov 2014 #118
And I can't understand when someone becomes so judgmental zeemike Nov 2014 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #60
Not what their allegations state.. Cha Nov 2014 #66
That is simply false, as this evidence shows BainsBane Nov 2014 #117
Thanks for clearing that up. nilesobek Nov 2014 #133
I only got my info from DN. I did not know the allegations were anything other than framed. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #141
Hold on. I wasn't calling for that. nilesobek Dec 2014 #171
Sneaky Assange blames his problems on the USA.. can't stand up and be responsible for his Cha Nov 2014 #65
Excellent post. YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #77
I would disagree with one thing that you wrote. Kali Nov 2014 #92
The 'major international security issues' are non-existent insofar as Assange is concerned. randome Nov 2014 #95
No attorney who wants to keep their license BainsBane Nov 2014 #119
That's a strong argument. nt el_bryanto Dec 2014 #179
For Chomsky, everyone else gets thrown under the bus if it means being able to attack the US stevenleser Dec 2014 #203
He needs to go through the process and be found guilty or not. riqster Nov 2014 #15
Well I hope you find yourself in that position some day. zeemike Nov 2014 #18
Oh, so Sweden is some sort of judicial hellhole? riqster Nov 2014 #22
No but they have the same corruption of government as we have. zeemike Nov 2014 #34
I share your mistrust as a general rule. But I have yet.to see examples in this case. riqster Nov 2014 #35
Well if you can't find it, it never happened. zeemike Nov 2014 #38
I woudn't go that far. But in such a case, I wouldn't assume it to be likely. riqster Nov 2014 #41
This is Sweden's Law on Rapists.. Cha Nov 2014 #67
Thank you. n/t YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #100
there is no universe where Assange OR Chomsky represent, in any way, Democracy. KittyWampus Nov 2014 #115
Hmmm, who to go with, Riqster or Chomsky? Not a tough choice. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #12
Actually, neither. The Swedish courts are the only true authority. riqster Nov 2014 #16
Lol, you haven't been keeping up with this sham 'case' have you? Still not even a charge filed sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #26
If and when the Swedish courts take such steps, his legal status will change. riqster Nov 2014 #31
Where are the CHARGES? Amazing to see 'liberals' condone the imprisonment of a news editor for sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #61
Just show me the imprisonment brooklynite Nov 2014 #62
He long ago was in Sweden asking to speak to the prosecutor and was told 'she was too busy'. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #104
I understand U.S. Intelligence put pressure on the Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #46
Sweden's PM was helped attain his position by KARL ROVE, an OLD FRIEND. He is known as 'Europe's sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #63
A lot of (parroted) conspiracy theories... YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #82
What are the charges you are speaking of?? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #101
Forget it, (s)he's rolling... SidDithers Nov 2014 #108
OK, maybe she was a Western asset. nilesobek Nov 2014 #135
Last week a Swedish appeals court upheld Assange's arrest warrant hack89 Nov 2014 #53
Lol, of course they did. Just show us the CHARGES. There have never been any charges filed against sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #64
There are four charges specified in his arrest warrant hack89 Nov 2014 #69
It's been explained dozens of times, but some people just like to post zappaman Nov 2014 #70
I asked for CHARGES filed against him. What you gave me are years old allegations sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #102
So charges detailed in a legal arrest warrant are not really charges? hack89 Nov 2014 #110
He has not been charged with any crime. What about that is so difficult for you to grasp?? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #146
An arrest warrant has to reference criminal charges hack89 Nov 2014 #148
This is pure unmitigated nonsense and the only reason I am wasting my time responding to it, is sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #172
Assange's lawyer testified under oath that the prosecutor wanted to interview him in Sweden hack89 Dec 2014 #173
Wrong, AGAIN. What is in black and white is the FACT that Assange was interviewed by the sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #175
So you are denying an actual, black and white trial transcript? hack89 Dec 2014 #176
There are NO Criminal or any other kind of charges filed against Assange. Are you still trying to sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #182
This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Dec 2014 #183
Do you deny there is a valid arrest warrant for Assange? hack89 Dec 2014 #184
Still refusing to answer a simple question? Where are the charges you claimed existed? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #186
Those accusations just survived a legal challenge two weeks ago hack89 Dec 2014 #187
Lol, the Swedish Court has been saying that for YEARS now but still they will not PROVE IT. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #190
You need a trial to prove the charges. To have a trial you need a defendant hack89 Dec 2014 #192
Yes!! Exactly!! So, why has this Prosecutor REFUSED to file any charges?? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #194
Because the Swedish system is different from ours hack89 Dec 2014 #196
We know the differences. And we know the Prosecutor has LIED about needing to sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #197
Has Assange agree to surrender if arrested following an interview? hack89 Dec 2014 #198
Where are the charges? Why have no charges been filed? Why would someone sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #199
People are arrested and taken into custody prior to indictment every day in America. hack89 Dec 2014 #200
Lol, OUR legal system? What does OUR legal system have to do with this? Was that a slip sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #201
It will all be over in 2020 when the statute of limitations runs out. hack89 Dec 2014 #202
Your conspiracy buzzword filled rants are amusing. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #204
What conspiracy buzzwords are you talking about? I deal only in facts. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #205
I believe Assange's lawyer. Don't you? hack89 Dec 2014 #185
Where are the charges? A simple answer is all I am asking for. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #188
I understand why you don't want to talk about him fleeing Sweden to avoid arrest hack89 Dec 2014 #189
Charges, this is about charges that were never filed, about a case that never existed. So sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #193
So you are saying Assange's lawyer lied under oath? hack89 Dec 2014 #195
Chomsky is a traitor and should be executed!!1!! BeanMusical Nov 2014 #9
They had a good month. ucrdem Nov 2014 #17
Boy is it easy to distract Americans from what really matters... NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #29
Bravo to both. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #30
What I learned from this: rape is OK, provided you exposed US state secrets. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #39
Your loss. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #40
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #52
Supporting rapists is not a liberal position. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #54
+1...nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #59
False accusations of rape are exceedingly rare YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #75
Assange admitted it. joshcryer Nov 2014 #81
Exactly... SidDithers Nov 2014 #147
Now the brits have spent 10m Pounds to arrest him for questioning in a supposed Swedish sex crime. pa28 Nov 2014 #43
Well, if it's a "supposed" sex crime, that makes all the difference... brooklynite Nov 2014 #50
When was last time a government spent 10m to extradite somebody for questioning in a sex case? pa28 Nov 2014 #55
I wasn't aware that criminal investigations came with a budget... brooklynite Nov 2014 #56
He's a fugitive under British law, subject to British penalties. Should they forget him? nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #73
People granted political asylum are by definition labeled as "fugitives". pa28 Nov 2014 #93
He's a bail jumper. Should people on bail in the UK be allowed to skip merely msanthrope Nov 2014 #94
Criminals can't just walk into an embassy for legal relief. pa28 Nov 2014 #96
You think politics doesn't trump logic and common sense? randome Nov 2014 #97
I do and I believe I pointed that out upthread. pa28 Nov 2014 #99
He wasn't granted an asylum recognized by any cogent legal authority. And, as a criminal msanthrope Nov 2014 #98
He is actually a fugitive from British justice hack89 Nov 2014 #71
+1 YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #84
Assange asked for and received asylum from the government of Ecuador. pa28 Nov 2014 #89
Too bad diplomatic asylum is not recognized by international law hack89 Nov 2014 #90
Chomsky is awesome! He's also an example of why we need university tenure Wella Nov 2014 #47
... SidDithers Nov 2014 #48
I don't give a shite who hangs out with this asshole.. "Julian Assange Backs Ron and Rand Paul".. Cha Nov 2014 #68
I think ucrdem Nov 2014 #72
2 good men. I applaud them both! nt elias49 Nov 2014 #74
How is Assange remotely a "good man"? YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #76
Well there's Wikileaks...heard of it? nt elias49 Nov 2014 #78
Yes, and that doesn't negate the likelihood that he's a scumbag rapist YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #80
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #83
And now you show your true colors YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #85
What colors are you talking about? elias49 Nov 2014 #86
Can't trust those chicks- they'll fuck you over in a heartbeat hack89 Nov 2014 #87
7-0 Hide..... msanthrope Nov 2014 #91
Excellent hide....nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #109
Thank you. nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #124
That's what the CIA said. Octafish Nov 2014 #105
Oh so the CIA said it, then it must be wrong YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #113
CIA and Cuba are cause for dismantling the Agency. Octafish Nov 2014 #116
Oh dear...you are sourcing Israel Shamir, aren't you?? nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #126
Better than CURVEBALL. Octafish Nov 2014 #127
+1 Luis Posada Carriles was a member of a very special group nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #129
Los Amigos Terroristas de Bush Octafish Nov 2014 #138
Daniel fucking Hopsicker!!.... SidDithers Nov 2014 #140
Isreal Shamir works for Wikileaks, and is a noted Holocaust denier. Any DUer who wishes to know msanthrope Nov 2014 #130
Wow. zappaman Nov 2014 #132
Just another smear from zappaman. Octafish Nov 2014 #139
Reply #142. zappaman Nov 2014 #150
Yup. All the articles posted from Paul Craig Roberts support your assertion... SidDithers Nov 2014 #142
Supporting holocaust deniers is disgusting. zappaman Nov 2014 #152
And now he's calling a banned anti-Semite a "great DUer"... SidDithers Nov 2014 #154
It does make one wonder, don't it? zappaman Nov 2014 #155
Yet, what he wrote about Assange's accusers is true. Octafish Nov 2014 #137
So you support a holocaust denier? zappaman Nov 2014 #151
A troll banned for being an anti-Semite is a "great DUer"?... SidDithers Nov 2014 #153
I'm kind of surprised sharp_stick Nov 2014 #156
You are citing a DUer banned for Holocaust denial to prove that the Holocaust denier msanthrope Nov 2014 #158
That is not what I wrote. Octafish Nov 2014 #159
You are citing Israel Shamir. He is a noted Holocaust denier. One of the "great DUers" you msanthrope Nov 2014 #160
Not the only Holocaust denier he cites either. zappaman Nov 2014 #162
Lie down with dogs, don't be surprised when the fleas bite you in the ass. nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #163
... zappaman Nov 2014 #164
How am I supposed to know everyone banned and for what? Octafish Nov 2014 #165
Well....now that you know that Israel Shamir is a Holocaust denier and Wikileaks employee, and msanthrope Nov 2014 #167
You linked specifically to a troll banned for being an anti-Semite. zappaman Nov 2014 #161
Smear artist. Octafish Nov 2014 #166
No smears necessary to show you linked to an anti-Semitic banned troll. zappaman Nov 2014 #168
it's in their profile tammywammy Nov 2014 #169
Shhhhhh zappaman Nov 2014 #170
How do you know who has been banned for what? It's on their profile. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #174
Banned anti-semite trolls are now "great DUers". zappaman Dec 2014 #180
Assange...like Officer Wilson, need not answer for his crimes. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #181
Some of these responses downthread are hilarious...... marmar Nov 2014 #103
Sheer hypocrisy. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #106
They can be discussed without defending a rapist/predator YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #114
Don't forget "In no known universe can Chomsky or Assage represent in any Puglover Nov 2014 #121
That is the second greatest thread in DU history. n/t QC Nov 2014 #122
And NOONE needs to apologize for the Puglover Nov 2014 #123
Nope. No need to be an apologist, that's for sure. n/t QC Nov 2014 #125
How exciting! Assange appears on balcony! With Chomsky! Someone snaps a photo! struggle4progress Nov 2014 #111
LOL! zappaman Nov 2014 #112
Heheh... SidDithers Nov 2014 #120
I've been simultaneously bored and face palming reading this thread until now Number23 Nov 2014 #128
lol treestar Nov 2014 #143
You just redeemed this thread for me (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #178
And, predictably, the smear/propaganda machine is on the job. woo me with science Nov 2014 #134
... SidDithers Nov 2014 #136
Julian has indeed save the world treestar Nov 2014 #144
Excellent post, thank you. As for the smear campaign, lol, same old names wherever you go. Same sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #145
It's telling that Assange refuses to face charges in Sweden YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #149
When you find yourself on the WRONG side of Assange and Chomsky... bvar22 Nov 2014 #157
They are on the wrong side of rape. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #177
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