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In reply to the discussion: 7-2 remember those numbers. [View all]Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)80. No problem
Do you believe in the Lucifer of the Bible or a different version?
Difficult to explain. Essentially, you've heard teh expression that the victor writes the history? That's how we see the Bible, as a propaganda version of events that only tells god's side of things. So, while the Lucifer I pray to is the same one as the one in the Bible, the Bible version is incomplete and comes from his enemies.
If the Biblical one, do you see him as equal to God?
More or less. That's still to be determined. Essentially, while Revelation predicts that god will triumph at the end of time, that can be ignored as more propaganda. No-one really knows how it will go down.
If not, isn't your quest to defeat God doomed to failure?
I don't believe so but even if it was, doing teh right thing is more important. Better to be right than "saved".
Do you believe in demons evil spirits possession or summoning?
Um, sorta. Demons: There were those who followed Lucifer and fell with him. Most of them still exist and people have written about them through the years. They occupy a similar position as saints do in Catholicism.
Evil spirits: Well, in addition to the celestials, there are also natural spirits, the energy of a place or an event that attains a sort of crude consciousness. They can be nasty but they're rarely evil in the sense of making a moral choice, more crude and lashing out because they feel threatened.
Possession: Not exactly. No spirit can take possession of you or anyone else. They're not designed the same way. It would be like Hulk Hogan trying to squeeze into your shirt. What I have heard of (but never personally experienced) is a way that a demon can co-share a body. Not taking control of it but taking a back seat in the mind to experience physical being again.
Summoning: I'm undecided. I've heard of it but never seen it myself. I would have thought it was insulting to the being in question and so, I wouldn't do it either.
Do you wish to harm others i.e. Christians or Atheists?
No, absolutely not. There's a couple of Christians that I have a personal beef with but that's not because of their spiritual path, that's because there's heat between us personally. It is more important for people to choose their own path than for our paths to agree. Lucifer's fall, his war that I've chosen to be part of, was about the right to moral self-determination. The right of a thinking, feeling species, to choose it's own fate, to go from "thou shalt not" to "I will not" without the threat of hell hanging over their heads. Thus, it would be wrong of me to try and choose a path for others or to harm them (unless in defence of self or others). It is our job to minimise suffering. Since we have been fucked over by the Big Beard, it's imperative not to add to it by fucking each other over. We should instead aid others and not just through prayer, but by getting up off our knees and getting our hands dirty, "If the lot of man is to improve, the seer must become the do-er".
Finally, a quick debunking of common myths that you were polite enough not to ask:
- I don't sacrifice babies, children or animals. The only thing I sacrifice is a small pinch of herbs which symbolise Lucifer's sacrifice that I choose to share with him.
- I do happen to own a black cat but she's not a familiar, she's a pet and the only reason she's black is because she was teh one who needed re-homing most urgently. She and her marmalade sister are adored and spoiled rotten.
- I do happen to have a small alter. It's not actually necessary, I just like teh formalism of it. It has candles, a small statue, an offering bowl (for those herbs I mentioned) and an incense burner (no occult reason, it just makes the place smell nice) and I pray in much the same manner as most people, I go to one knee (the other is too wrecked to kneel on now), clasp hands and close my eyes.
- I don't take recreational drugs (I barely even drink because it reacts badly with my meds) and there are no orgies or, at least, no-one's even invited me to one.
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I would have loved to been a fly on the wall to have heard the two dissenters.
William769
Nov 2014
#5
Ah, my dear Rhiannon, forgive me for butting in on your conversation with William!
CaliforniaPeggy
Nov 2014
#25
Wonderful! Thanks for posting. I am thrilled that it was 7-2. It makes me feel
nirvana555
Nov 2014
#21
I did wonder what you meant by those mysterious numbers, my dear William769...
CaliforniaPeggy
Nov 2014
#23
Wow, I hadn't heard about this! I feel so relieved! Thanks for the good news.
freshwest
Nov 2014
#24
You realize dissenters do not have to sign onto the Petition to uphold for KS. So, we do not know if
blkmusclmachine
Nov 2014
#53
Well, word around the blogosphere is that Kennedy is a firm vote for marriage freedom.
longship
Nov 2014
#63