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marym625

(17,997 posts)
24. Why be OK with either?
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:27 AM
Nov 2014

I am truly perplexed. You are OK with one so as to stop a further intrusion? Don't you think that giving up any of it makes it easier for the government to take all of it?

None cantbeserious Nov 2014 #1
^ That many Socal31 Nov 2014 #2
Neither am I. marym625 Nov 2014 #3
I have noticed that people can be absolute.. Socal31 Nov 2014 #10
yep. marym625 Nov 2014 #15
Agreed. n/t meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #59
The second. 99Forever Nov 2014 #4
Agree. FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #6
The 2A is not stopping strict gun control hack89 Nov 2014 #8
ok. That one is worthy of looking at throwing away. marym625 Nov 2014 #9
It was for armed citizens to Protect the government NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #11
But wasn't it to stop the Federal Government marym625 Nov 2014 #21
It was meant to not allow the government to prohibit arms for citizens. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #30
the ability to fight the federal government? safeinOhio Nov 2014 #44
Which was written long after marym625 Nov 2014 #48
Civilized, advanced societies all over the world... 99Forever Nov 2014 #23
Very true marym625 Nov 2014 #32
I understand Mary. 99Forever Nov 2014 #36
Thank you marym625 Nov 2014 #38
It wouldn't hurt to reword the 2A. The interpretation has been so perverted already world wide wally Nov 2014 #37
Most definitely. n/t marym625 Nov 2014 #40
I agree VScott Nov 2014 #76
I know we can do better than that. That is the way it is attempted to be interpreted now... world wide wally Nov 2014 #98
A lot of people get that part wrong. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #105
The 2A allows very strict regulation right now hack89 Dec 2014 #136
Actually... Taipan Nov 2014 #107
On that subject... Taipan Nov 2014 #106
Let me know how you... 99Forever Nov 2014 #116
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #143
A little too deep for you? 99Forever Dec 2014 #144
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #148
You're the one talking... 99Forever Dec 2014 #150
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #151
missed that marym625 Dec 2014 #166
Was a troll with 9 posts. 99Forever Dec 2014 #167
Have seen a bunch of those lately too. marym625 Dec 2014 #168
Yamamoto?....good military strategist I presume? Nt pkdu Nov 2014 #126
He was smart enough to know going to war with America was a colossal mistake hack89 Dec 2014 #137
Dec 7th mean anything to you? nt pkdu Dec 2014 #141
Pearl Harbor hack89 Dec 2014 #142
Yeah, GGJohn Dec 2014 #172
and yet, there he was, guiding the Imperial Navy till 4/1943. irisblue Dec 2014 #156
And in most of those countries, people are still able to own (some form of) firearms. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #165
Shitcan the 2nd mwrguy Nov 2014 #55
Also my preference, however... 99Forever Nov 2014 #60
None - Everything in the Bill of Rights is sacrosanct. Nt hack89 Nov 2014 #5
None, thank you. former9thward Nov 2014 #7
None. And those who do want to give some up deserve none as well. nt NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #12
Of course..... Socal31 Nov 2014 #13
yep. n/t marym625 Nov 2014 #25
I can't answer this question ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #14
So you are willing to throw out the 4th Amendment? marym625 Nov 2014 #16
Again, ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #18
Why be OK with either? marym625 Nov 2014 #24
Because I do not live in an abstract world ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #31
There is a reason for the saying marym625 Nov 2014 #33
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #67
If you trust, old guy Nov 2014 #74
Sometimes marym625 Nov 2014 #79
Safe from what? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #19
While ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #27
But let's stow the dramatic 'if it would stop a bombing' rhetoric and look at the fact that the FBI Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #71
That'snot dramatic rhetoric ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #75
Shamefully authoritarian and fundamentally cowardly perspectives from my point of view. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #108
Well said marym625 Nov 2014 #109
I take no offense ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #118
No, I believe typing stuff on the Internet is expressing my thoughts, as to your reality TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #123
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #124
Yes, are you not the one that is more than happy to trade away your (and everyone else's) rights TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #134
From the time ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #138
In exchange for what? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #17
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #22
I'm mostly against pistol usage. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #26
Wouldn't that be a dream come true marym625 Nov 2014 #28
Lots of folks are willing to give up the 2A ileus Nov 2014 #20
Thank you. marym625 Nov 2014 #29
Civil rights and civil liberties are two different things Major Nikon Nov 2014 #34
Very true. they are different things marym625 Nov 2014 #35
All civil liberties are regulated in certain ways Major Nikon Nov 2014 #45
That freedom of movement is taken by Due Process through the 5th Amendment. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #46
Exactly Major Nikon Nov 2014 #50
I don't tend to seperate them. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #52
The way I see it is that is the separation Major Nikon Nov 2014 #63
What you consider civil rights are also limited at times. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #73
That is true, but I'm not sure your example proves it Major Nikon Dec 2014 #131
I don't really understand your construct of which is which. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #110
Those two things don't always overlap Major Nikon Nov 2014 #114
The civil liberty in your example is the right to equal protection under the law TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #122
I can't think of any civil right that isn't an example of the right to equal protection Major Nikon Nov 2014 #125
EXACTLY! This is why we fight for civil rights (access) for all. Logic dictates it! TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #127
Civil liberties are and always have been up for debate and always should be Major Nikon Dec 2014 #129
Yes, yes but what are you saying is a right and what is a liberty? TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #133
Civil liberties are rights Major Nikon Dec 2014 #135
I don't know how I missed all this marym625 Dec 2014 #128
americans have demonstrated that they will give up any right in exchange for a promise of safety. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #39
yep. marym625 Nov 2014 #41
I, for one, welcome the increased power and control of our new authoritarian fascist overlords. Zorra Nov 2014 #42
Nope. no sarcasm thingy needed marym625 Nov 2014 #43
You forgot the sarcasm thingy... Glassunion Dec 2014 #145
Whichever rights Obama thinks I should give up. (sarcasm) Vattel Nov 2014 #47
Loving the sarcastic responses marym625 Nov 2014 #49
None-Why Not Discuss fredamae Nov 2014 #51
I'm game marym625 Nov 2014 #53
Well, the PTB only fredamae Nov 2014 #72
Well said. Thank you. n/t marym625 Nov 2014 #81
willing has nothing to do with it. If the PTB want them gone librechik Nov 2014 #54
It's because we allowed it marym625 Nov 2014 #56
They operate in more or less total secrecy librechik Nov 2014 #61
I truly don't know marym625 Nov 2014 #65
I have your rights right here easychoice Nov 2014 #57
I love this piece marym625 Nov 2014 #62
how do you define civil rights? treestar Nov 2014 #58
Excellent point marym625 Nov 2014 #64
few people have the resources to launch a legal fight against Uncle Sam easychoice Nov 2014 #69
True marym625 Nov 2014 #80
No one seems to have an answer,that is a bad thing. easychoice Nov 2014 #87
Just saw a sign marym625 Nov 2014 #89
I'm not sure that's true... TeeYiYi Nov 2014 #96
None and I'm serious about it. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #66
The good news is rock Nov 2014 #68
True marym625 Nov 2014 #112
I wasn't disagreeing with you by the way rock Nov 2014 #119
I didn't think you were marym625 Nov 2014 #120
None. jwirr Nov 2014 #70
Absolutely none. hobbit709 Nov 2014 #77
I personally don't need a gun olddots Nov 2014 #78
Millions also don't see a reason to vote. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #83
Never had one. never will. marym625 Nov 2014 #84
Sorry you were put through such a horrible experience. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #86
Thank you. marym625 Nov 2014 #88
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #82
You scared me marym625 Nov 2014 #85
None. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #90
Thanks for that marym625 Nov 2014 #91
None sarisataka Nov 2014 #92
oh, wouldn't that be nice! n/t marym625 Nov 2014 #93
They all should be kept, but sadoldgirl Nov 2014 #94
But it's a lovely wish! n/t marym625 Nov 2014 #95
I'm in the "None" grouping as with the other posters above. Taipan Nov 2014 #97
No need for sorry marym625 Nov 2014 #113
these are not simple questions Doctor_J Nov 2014 #99
though unrealistic, it would be the second - otherwise, keep the rest. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2014 #100
How would the others be kept? Taipan Nov 2014 #101
It would require other massive changes which many wouldn't accept - which is why it is unrealistic. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2014 #102
I see. Taipan Nov 2014 #104
I think I have already given up my right to party, despite the fight to obtain it. logosoco Nov 2014 #103
Me too! marym625 Nov 2014 #115
I LIKE this topic a lot!!!! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2014 #111
I understand. marym625 Nov 2014 #117
:) WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2014 #121
3rd Amendment. I'm willing to quarter soldiers in my house if necessary. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #130
Well you might be willing to marym625 Dec 2014 #132
The USA should repeal the 2nd amendment. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #139
hmm. marym625 Dec 2014 #140
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #146
The government already has the power to strictly regulate the ownership of guns hack89 Dec 2014 #157
You speak of rights as if we have them Glassunion Dec 2014 #147
no. I know you are right marym625 Dec 2014 #153
If I absolutely HAD to choose..... AverageJoe90 Dec 2014 #149
interesting marym625 Dec 2014 #154
Zero. muntrv Dec 2014 #152
You're not alone. marym625 Dec 2014 #155
None! burrowowl Dec 2014 #158
I should count all the voters for none marym625 Dec 2014 #161
Yes Habeas Corpus burrowowl Dec 2014 #169
I agree marym625 Dec 2014 #174
The material question is: what are you willing to organize to accomplish? struggle4progress Dec 2014 #159
Love this kind of reply marym625 Dec 2014 #160
Not one, as one cannot give up a right. lonestarnot Dec 2014 #162
Not one! None! sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #163
You should not give up your civil rights! Then they win, never ever give up! akbacchus_BC Dec 2014 #164
Why would anyone be willing to give up any civil rights that their akbacchus_BC Dec 2014 #170
got me marym625 Dec 2014 #173
None.....it's why I bitch so much n/t bobGandolf Dec 2014 #171
Keep up the bitching! marym625 Dec 2014 #175
In 25 days i will be giving up many of them. I think I will survive. CBGLuthier Dec 2014 #176
What a sad statement marym625 Dec 2014 #177
Yes. I am an American citizen. CBGLuthier Dec 2014 #178
I don't blame you marym625 Dec 2014 #179
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