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karynnj

(60,976 posts)
32. There are many politicians not owned by the corporations
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 03:50 PM
Dec 2011

In fact, I think that perception has been used to hurt the side that wants government to do positive things - rather than nothing. I am not naive and I am not saying that no politician has ever done something for the money he or his campaign can get, but, for the most part, that is not why people get into politics. Anyone with the skills needed to get elected to Congress - and even more so the Senate, could likely make more money in the private sector.

Recently, a major blast at the reputation of all legislators was the 60 Minutes Report that was based on Peter Schweitzer's book. From the excerpts I have seen it is the most puerile analysis I have ever seen. (ie Senators/legislators on any committee working on healthcare in 2003 or 2009, whose portofolio showed a stock purchase of any health care stock was called suspect - even the Democrats who fought the 2003 bill or the Republicans who fought the 2009 bill. The fact is it was not "secret" that these bills were being worked on - and in all of 2009, there was no certainty it would pass - especially when you consider that in January 2010, Rahm Emmanuel was speaking of abandoning the comprehensive bill to ensure they passed something. He ignored whether or not the transactions occurred in trusts which the legislators did not control. Also ignored is that most stocks bought in 2003 increased in value by the end of 2004 - the Dow Jones soared too - and from the market bottom in March 2009, the DJ went up 59% by April 2010 - and it wasn't because HCR secretly passed. For that matter, had they bought Tiffany in March, 2009 by April 2010, it would have been up 250%. )

There were hundreds (or maybe thousands) of stories on that - most quoting the book that legislators did significantly better than hedgefund managers. All based on just those cheery picked transactions. Yet recently, there was an analysis of ALL the listed transactions the legislators made - and - the result is that in total, they should have stayed with a passive index fund. http://articles.boston.com/2011-12-14/bostonglobe/30516909_1_insider-suspicious-trades-portfolio This analysis is far more dependable than the Schweitzer junk analysis, but the only place I saw this was the Boston Globe.

Schweitzer was the national security adviser to Sarah Palin, who referred to him as "one of her pack" in her fight against the corrupt culture of DC. That defines his agenda. Then there is 60 minutes. Here, they are handed an explosive story that also fits the profile of the powerful cheating. They really should have had someone spend time reading it and error checking. They would have found - that even though there COULD be a problem - this book is so poorly done that they should not give it any of their well earned credibility. (I mean when you attack Democrats on HELP and Finance for "writing the 2003 drug bill and referring to some as chairs of those committees - there is a problem. It was a Republican bill and Republicans controlled the Senate and the timing is close enough that it was a blatant error.)

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I overwhelmingly disagree with that. dawg Dec 2011 #1
You and the OP both make valid points. nt gateley Dec 2011 #2
rhetoric? bwahaha! unblock Dec 2011 #11
Campaign contributions don't elect a President - voters do. dawg Dec 2011 #17
Obama Won in 2008 Because Bush Was A Horrible President Yavin4 Dec 2011 #14
True, but the point is that he *did* win. dawg Dec 2011 #19
No, he won with the rhetoric he took to the White House. TheWraith Dec 2011 #21
Of course, rhetoric is subjective ... dawg Dec 2011 #28
I disagree - karynnj Dec 2011 #22
Easily the best post I have read here in weeks. So tempered in .... banned from Kos Dec 2011 #25
Thank you nt karynnj Dec 2011 #34
Even you identify areas where reality has been to the right of perception. dawg Dec 2011 #29
Perception, yes - what he said, no karynnj Dec 2011 #38
I don't think we are far from each other on this at all. dawg Dec 2011 #41
There is very little difference between our positions karynnj Dec 2011 #45
+1 great post! unblock Dec 2011 #31
yup. nt tishaLA Dec 2011 #36
That really should slam the door on such apologetic, self-excusing twaddle PurityOfEssence Dec 2011 #30
Kinda sad ain't it? zipplewrath Dec 2011 #3
Which is why we have OWS izquierdista Dec 2011 #4
Yup zipplewrath Dec 2011 #9
no, he was elected in 2008 Enrique Dec 2011 #5
There are no electable "true" progressives. Grayson got stomped in his home district. banned from Kos Dec 2011 #6
I would suggest that more than those listed, Sherrod Brown and Tom Harken are karynnj Dec 2011 #47
Key factor: "pols were not owned lock, stock, and barrel by corporations. " rfranklin Dec 2011 #7
It's "Democratic Underground." Not "Democrat's Underground." savannah43 Dec 2011 #15
And it's "Democratic Party," not "Democrat's Party." MineralMan Dec 2011 #33
There are many politicians not owned by the corporations karynnj Dec 2011 #32
Campaigns financed by the 1 percent will never earn the confidence of the 99 percent rfranklin Dec 2011 #43
I have always been for campaign finance reform karynnj Dec 2011 #44
Unrecced. closeupready Dec 2011 #8
If we learn to fix elections like the GOP'ers do, then we can "elect" savannah43 Dec 2011 #10
I disagree. With the Democratic Party's organization and the GOP's reputation ... T S Justly Dec 2011 #12
And That Dem Would Face Rock Solid Opposition from Blue Dog Dems in the House and the Senate Yavin4 Dec 2011 #16
If that is true SixthSense Dec 2011 #13
Abandoning the Political System Outright Means That The Crazy Right Wins by Default Yavin4 Dec 2011 #20
So does consenting to the status quo SixthSense Dec 2011 #26
right - but does the op even begin to understand that? Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #37
How do you unrec'd this BS? RC Dec 2011 #18
If your perceptions were accurate, you might have a point. They're not, at all. TheWraith Dec 2011 #23
A conservative Republican then was to the Left of what is now billed as a "Liberal". RC Dec 2011 #39
You're again managing to prove you have NO understanding or perspective. TheWraith Dec 2011 #40
I'm dumbfounded. I don't know where to begin to disabuse you of your delusions. RC Dec 2011 #46
You're again managing to prove you have NO understanding or perspective. TheWraith Dec 2011 #42
I don't think that the "Current Political System"..... NCTraveler Dec 2011 #24
I agree. You have to look at the entire political system RainDog Dec 2011 #27
nope. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #35
Agreed, which is why the system has to be scrapped and a new one devised. eom tledford Dec 2011 #48
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