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Savannahmann

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30. I'm going to disagree with you about one factor here.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:54 PM
Nov 2014

Paul. I'm terrified of him. Right now, he's viewed as a relative unknown, a tea party guy to most of the people if they know his name. But his message scares me. Populist right down the line. Between the war fatigue which plays into his isolationist message, to fatigue with the war on drugs which plays into his decriminalization of marijuana. The guy has populist messages lined up around the block.

He gave a speech about privacy in Berkeley, and was probably the first Republican who was not booed off the stage. That makes him dangerous, especially if Hillary continues the all war all the time mantra that she's been pushing.

Then there is the economic problems faced by cities exemplified by Detroit. Rand gave speeches that were very well received about that.

Rand is not a gee if they nominate him we've won candidate. Rand is the most dangerous candidate that the Democratic party has ever considered facing. If he can get a good lead out of Iowa, a distinct possibility, then there is no stopping him. States that we consider bastions will be close enough to be considered in play, which means we'll have to shore up our base in California, where privacy and drugs will play an interesting role in the election.

The way to view elections is this. Thirty percent will vote Democrat, they always have, and always will. Thirty percent will vote Republican for the same reason. It's the other forty percent that vote one way generally, but can vote any. If Rand's message resonates with enough of them, we're doomed.

I know everyone here thinks Rand is merely a front man for the KKK. One of my favorite things to read is "no one I know would vote for Rand Paul." But the election is not conducted that way. It's more than your friends and family. We're talking about eighty million people who decide the election. Those are the ones we need to reach, and Rand is out in front right now on populist messages. If we don't start to embrace some of those, we're going to be viewed as the me too party, or the we'll say anything to get elected party. It's a toss up of which one would spell our doom more quickly.

Rand isn't a hail mary hope for our side. Rand is the worst possible outcome of the GOP primary. Because our only hope then is Rand self destructing, and we can't count on that happening, because it didn't in 2012 to our sorrow.

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I'll take crap for this, but I think a good share of America wants a white man back in charge. CrispyQ Nov 2014 #1
I agree. That's part of what I meant by a reactionary electorate cali Nov 2014 #2
Romney , imho, only polls well because of buyers remorse DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #3
possibly, but that doesn't mean that that itself couldn't be something that worked in his favor cali Nov 2014 #6
She is a turnoff to the younger 50% of voters. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #4
True - could mean a very low turnout if she's the nominee. polichick Nov 2014 #40
She loves war, and war criminals. Those are disqualifiers for me. Scuba Nov 2014 #5
In truth, so does every candidate for President. MineralMan Nov 2014 #7
I disagree. I think she has some unique challenges cali Nov 2014 #9
I know you disagree. You tell us so frequently. MineralMan Nov 2014 #13
True but since most of us vote, cali can sway people on DU so no this is a good place Rex Nov 2014 #14
Most DUers will vote for the Democratic nominee. MineralMan Nov 2014 #19
I'm not concerned at all, just pointing out that people can be swayed to vote Rex Nov 2014 #24
That's certainly true. As I have said a number of times, if Bernie Sanders or MineralMan Nov 2014 #28
True, I don't know if we will even have another viable candidate. Rex Nov 2014 #31
I see 2016 as yet another transitional election. MineralMan Nov 2014 #33
are you confused, MM? do you realize cali Nov 2014 #22
I'm not telling you what to post or not post, Cali. MineralMan Nov 2014 #27
See, you were very well reasoned until THAT comment wyldwolf Nov 2014 #36
Agree Bagsgroove Nov 2014 #12
Clinton fatique aspirant Nov 2014 #8
Though it is not we have already handed Hillary a victory it is really Hillary's to lose Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #10
reducing the damage and continuing threat of corporate influence and control cali Nov 2014 #17
cali, what I am trying to call your attention is the 90% dors not have the funds to Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #29
just because you benefited from a corporation, hardly makes the encroachment cali Nov 2014 #34
so you are saying Warren got campaign money from corporations and she does not have ties Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #35
absolutely. she does not have the history with corporations and Wall Street that Hillary does cali Nov 2014 #37
Okay, she admitted where she got money and she does have connections. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #38
I agree. If it comes down to a fight for the "middle" she's in trouble. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #11
Nice! Bagsgroove Nov 2014 #23
Good defense, huh Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #32
She is not a shoe in, much to the chargin of some here. Rex Nov 2014 #15
Hillary's not stressin' nt BootinUp Nov 2014 #16
How do you know? cali Nov 2014 #18
Its a gift I have. BootinUp Nov 2014 #20
Agreed. And that white working class vote she needs sure as hell aren't living in 2008. hedda_foil Nov 2014 #21
Ensorcelled. One of my favorite words. cali Nov 2014 #26
Indeed, Warren can and probably will ensorcell a great many of them. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #41
All your concerns are why I won't support her through the Cleita Nov 2014 #25
I'm going to disagree with you about one factor here. Savannahmann Nov 2014 #30
They talk about polls TBF Nov 2014 #39
Here's where you're mistaken Proud Public Servant Nov 2014 #42
NO.MORE.BOOMERS. GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #43
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