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TexasMommaWithAHat

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88. Anyone not believing that Wilson was 100% culpable has been accused of being a racist

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 03:38 PM

Nov 2014

but some of us see that there were two people likely at fault, here. As for Wilson - how much culpability and to what level of criminal offense that culpability rises to, I don't know.

I believe Wilson acted wrongly when he continued to shoot as Wilson ran away. He should have waited for backup.

I don't know what happened at the car door, but seeing Brown's behavior in the store and the mixed witness testimony, I would give the officer the benefit of the doubt. I don't think this young man was acting very rationally that day.

As for the shooting once Wilson turned around, that - to me - is the crux of the matter. Should it have gone to trial or should it not? It would have been better had there been a trial, but would Wilson have been convicted?

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Why What Happened In The Store Matters [View all] TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 OP

what you don't understand is Darrron Wilson's ACCOUNT of Brown's behavior hlthe2b Nov 2014 #1

No, I question his behavior TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #3

were you there? No, then you are assuming Wilson accounts of his behavior. hlthe2b Nov 2014 #6

Were you there? phil89 Nov 2014 #142

I'm not the one telling everone what transpired with someone NOW DEAD. hlthe2b Nov 2014 #144

I reconcile this sad state of affairs this way: Both Brown and Wilson snappyturtle Nov 2014 #14

we don't understand his (Brown's) behavior because he did not get a chance to say anything. Xipe Totec Nov 2014 #2

I am talking about Brown's behavior before he ever encountered Wilson TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #5

Turn off Faux for one day and see if you can see anything other than their talking points on this. hlthe2b Nov 2014 #10

WATCH CNN a few hours a week. TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #12

CNN's been nearly as bad on this... Ratings, from the racist froth they are stirring up seems to be hlthe2b Nov 2014 #16

And I'm saying he didn't get to tell his side. Xipe Totec Nov 2014 #11

Perhaps there's more to the video than meets the eye. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #17

Due process. tosh Nov 2014 #4

The initial narrative from Dorian Johnson XemaSab Nov 2014 #7

Yes. elleng Nov 2014 #115

why being a part of the KKK really matters, when a white cop in a black area. ya think? seabeyond Nov 2014 #8

WTF? nt elias49 Nov 2014 #9

OMG AN 18YR OLD ACTING IRRATIONALLY?!!! JaneyVee Nov 2014 #13

He was eighteen. Not two. TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #18

he didnt "get caught". the cop didnt know he was in the store. yes. you are wrong. nt seabeyond Nov 2014 #22

Bad wording. He was "caught" by the guy at the door TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #28

you want to create this whole conjecture, pinning brown responsible for his death, when the cops seabeyond Nov 2014 #35

That has been discussed at length here TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #41

ok seabeyond Nov 2014 #43

Yes, it would have been good Spirochete Nov 2014 #67

Who knows if you're wrong or right on that. No one. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #23

I grew up in the hood and worked azmom Nov 2014 #80

Really? TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #91

I think people teach their kids azmom Nov 2014 #103

What would happen to the people who didn't comply? helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #106

The store owner would talk to them and escort them azmom Nov 2014 #109

Maybe that is why we never got robbed. azmom Nov 2014 #111

A store owner I know put a sign up no more than 3 kids helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #116

He mainly hired teenagers and paid azmom Nov 2014 #124

Why float this turd on a site that has debumked it MANY times already? U4ikLefty Nov 2014 #15

Before Wilson backed up his car. TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #21

Yeah, you want to understand the mindset of the victim. U4ikLefty Nov 2014 #36

The store video itself is extremely hard to truedelphi Nov 2014 #132

I don't understand why the shop owner said Brown did not steal from the store Rex Nov 2014 #19

The shopkeeper carefully said that he didn't say TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #25

So you now can read the shop owners mind? Maybe 'he didn't steal' means just that Rex Nov 2014 #31

The Grand Jury was not presented with evidence that indicated that Brown robbed the store. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #145

No, just Dorian Johnson's very detailed version of events in the store. TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #147

One possibility - the behavior doesn't make any sense because it's not what actually happened. hedgehog Nov 2014 #20

Ah, the grumpy, moody teenager who wasn't actually convicted of any crime concern. IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #24

The man fears for his life. He doesn't want to have anything to do with this! TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #26

Summons to a Grand Jury aren't things you can just say "not coming to" IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #101

Why should the shopkeeper have been summoned TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #117

You just did an entire post about "what happened there matters" but now IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #125

That's it in a nutshell, isn't it? The copologists project a 'sincere desire to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #57

First, stop yelling. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #27

"a cop shot a man whom he probably shouldn't have shot" TBF Nov 2014 #29

I guess next time we should shoot Winona Ryder Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #30

Actually, those rich white girls TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #34

are you fuggin' serious? lordy. sounding all hat here, ... nt seabeyond Nov 2014 #37

Omfg Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #48

The point was "What was Brown's mindset?" TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #51

Did you wake up this morning thinking you'd be shot to death Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #63

yes, they did it pretty damn brazenly. cali Nov 2014 #60

People were asking why the incident in the store is brought up TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #32

Actually the store is talked about, because the owner never pressed charges or said Brown stole Rex Nov 2014 #40

"People are hurt over this"? A young man is dead over this. suffragette Dec 2014 #148

To borrow a phrase from lawyers (or lawyer TV shows), you're assuming 'facts KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #33

I'm not alleging TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #38

You are evading both my analysis -- just b/c Johnson thought KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #42

Nothing according to this video footage of Brown. Rex Nov 2014 #56

Here's the (real) question. Why didn't Wilson say "You are under arrest" or give KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #65

Yeah that really brings it home right there. Wilson did not try to arrest either one Rex Nov 2014 #75

My theory about Wilson's real stream of consciousness (interspersed with facts in parenthesies): KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #92

Thank you. If he didnt steal anything whats the big deal? Chipala Nov 2014 #112

So, now you are saying that Johnson didn't see what was happening? TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #68

You're being willfully obtuse. One possible reason why Brown never displayed any KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #76

Read the testimony TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #84

I've read Volume 4 many times. Johnson says only that Brown took 'a handful'. Brown KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #94

They've been asked that question repeatedly in this very thread. Yet still no answer. The Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2014 #146

Here is what I do know: OneGrassRoot Nov 2014 #39

I agree with that. TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #47

Exactly. I don't understand why that is so hard for grown adult to figure out. Rex Nov 2014 #49

It matters- to a defense loyalsister Nov 2014 #44

I'm more concerned with how the police think in that town. Lars39 Nov 2014 #45

excellent reply nt. BootinUp Nov 2014 #54

You make it sound like he walked right out of the store and enountered Wilson... hexola Nov 2014 #46

It would help if people actually read the testimony TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #50

Do you have a link to the testimony? Wella Nov 2014 #53

You'll want to look at Volume 4 of the GJ testimony. Here's a good link KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #83

Much obliged. Wella Nov 2014 #85

Sorry I didn't give you the link TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #118

Thanks. Wella Nov 2014 #119

Your OP is disingenuous, to say the least... Spazito Nov 2014 #52

Actually, I believe that both men were at fault TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #62

Well..... Spazito Nov 2014 #81

I would go one step further and say that this OP was done in KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #69

I completely agree... Spazito Nov 2014 #72

Actually, it was in response TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #74

Sure it was :sarcasm: - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #77

Funny, you don't mention racism even once in your OP. Rex Nov 2014 #79

Anyone not believing that Wilson was 100% culpable has been accused of being a racist TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #88

You are correct! cpamomfromtexas Nov 2014 #110

indeed, but this poster may be clueless and not realize it noiretextatique Nov 2014 #128

No, it doesn't matter at all, and for many reasons. MineralMan Nov 2014 #55

Excellent post. Rex Nov 2014 #59

There are many odd things about what happened. MineralMan Nov 2014 #64

Me too. Rex Nov 2014 #70

B.I.N.G.O. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #107

No blood on the inside of the car? XemaSab Nov 2014 #66

Thanks, I had read there was no blood inside the SUV. Rex Nov 2014 #71

Exactly. It doesn't matter if any of those "if"s were real or not, he was killed for a non-capital uppityperson Nov 2014 #137

Just STOP. LeftOfWest Nov 2014 #58

O puleeze abelenkpe Nov 2014 #61

Some people demand a simple narrative. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2014 #73

Thank you. TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #82

How is Brown the "aggressor at the car" when Wilson was the one who pulled up, then backed up fast uppityperson Nov 2014 #138

What "behavior" earned a hail of bullets? The answer Is of course none so TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #141

no, you are not at all interested in michael's mindset. you're a troll. mike brown is dead because locdlib Nov 2014 #78

I have more posts than you do. TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #86

nobody gives a shit about your number of posts. what's that got to do with your fucked up topic? locdlib Nov 2014 #87

You would be better off putting me on ignore TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #89

you mean it would be better for you, cause i'm real good. you can't rationally explain locdlib Nov 2014 #93

"I have more posts than you do." mike dub Nov 2014 #114

The events leading up to Brown being stopped by Wilson are of no relevance. Maedhros Nov 2014 #90

Of course, it matters TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #96

Wilson did. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2014 #97

Wilson did. eom uppityperson Nov 2014 #140

What happened on the bridge matters... Tsiyu Nov 2014 #95

No, I can't TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #98

Could it be a racial thing? n/t Tsiyu Nov 2014 #99

Both groups were white TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #108

I'm referring to the parties with "questionable mindsets." n/t Tsiyu Nov 2014 #135

Has it been proven in a court of law... smiley Nov 2014 #100

Teen-ager KT2000 Nov 2014 #102

Re-read Wilson's words. HIS mind-set is what interests me, as he deliberately hassled a person he WinkyDink Nov 2014 #104

YES because We must Defend the honor of the Ferguson Police force! BootinUp Nov 2014 #105

I can't answer many of your questions but elleng Nov 2014 #113

Only one DU Rec, B Calm Nov 2014 #120

Do you think I care that I haven't been absorbed into the DU borg? TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #121

Bye B Calm Nov 2014 #122

"flat out denied the obvious" Then explain the obvious R B Garr Nov 2014 #123

bye noiretextatique Nov 2014 #130

"I'm giving the Wilson the benefit of the doubt as to what happened at the car" uppityperson Nov 2014 #139

2 now...and i can guess who they are noiretextatique Nov 2014 #129

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #126

WTF?! nc4bo Nov 2014 #127

No one can say that Brown wasn't scared. logosoco Nov 2014 #131

^^^^^^^^^^^n/t truedelphi Nov 2014 #133

I don't believe Brown reached for the azmom Nov 2014 #136

You'll never understand. GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #134

and now texasmomma has taken umbrage and is, gasp, leaving. locdlib Nov 2014 #143