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ElboRuum

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14. There is a stark difference between this being an authoritarian impulse...
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 04:15 PM
Nov 2014

...and there being a measure of understanding the situation you find yourself in. Due to the nature of their jobs, every person they pull over, question, etc. is, to them, a potential threat to their own safety. I don't think any reasonable person, regardless of what view you may have of the police, would argue against the idea that when their safety is being threatened that they have justification to protect themselves (just like any ordinary citizen would).

What you never want to do is prove that perception of threat as justified even if you feel or know you have the right to do whatever challenging statement you make or act you perform.

That said, I do not defend Darren Wilson's actions by saying that this is good advice. I say this because it is simply good advice.

Darren Wilson is indicative of a system which no longer sees itself as a protective agent of the community, rather it sees itself as a control placed upon communities for the exclusive purpose of serving the needs of the law and the government which enacts it. In such a role, the implied requirement for an even temperament that community protection would naturally entail is removed. Modern law enforcement appeals to applicants with aggressive tendencies and authoritarian mindsets. In such an environment, any interface between the police and the citizenry comes precharged with the potential for lethality. Darren Wilson is a poorly trained officer whose position shielded him from consequence from his glaring overreaction to a what he irrationally thought was a threat to his safety.

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No. The police don't get to act unlawfully DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #1
It should be dealt with within the legal system afterwards, not at the moment. Kablooie Nov 2014 #8
Correct. Socal31 Nov 2014 #2
peace officer? bowens43 Nov 2014 #7
At least here in CA.... Socal31 Nov 2014 #9
Its a treestar Nov 2014 #22
I reject that idea, too, though as a matter of personal safety in the real world, it's true. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #3
Oh absolutely YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #4
Believing it's prudent... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #5
Yup YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #6
This raises an interesting question. Savannahmann Nov 2014 #10
+1 One of the major problems I see is we have turned the police force SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #18
I'm an old white guy and I'd never get into a pissing match with a cop FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #11
Only in the sense that if you are rude or assholish to anyone with the power to cause you problems.. Oktober Nov 2014 #12
It's either a lack pipi_k Nov 2014 #20
These are the same folks who scream at the customer service folks behind the counter... Oktober Nov 2014 #23
Arguing with police is rarely a good idea, 99% of the time you are going to lose. Lurks Often Nov 2014 #13
There is a stark difference between this being an authoritarian impulse... ElboRuum Nov 2014 #14
Curious point. Savannahmann Nov 2014 #16
That's an interesting question. ElboRuum Nov 2014 #17
LMAO... Bullshit. SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #21
Not to mention, that being said, every cop is potentially poorly trained and a threat to me. Nt seabeyond Nov 2014 #25
Actually, that's true. ElboRuum Nov 2014 #27
Clearly, you are not understanding my point. ElboRuum Nov 2014 #26
and...there is a belief that black people need to accept being "suspicious" noiretextatique Nov 2014 #15
Just for starters Old Codger Nov 2014 #19
Ya. See? I am thinking about the number of girls raped by cops or sexually assaulted and seabeyond Nov 2014 #24
There is a time for speaking up to the law. ElboRuum Nov 2014 #33
It us inevitable, lay back and enjoy and in time, maybe someone will listen? seabeyond Nov 2014 #34
Mmm hmm... ElboRuum Nov 2014 #35
You are supposed to follow a police officer's "orders." RoccoR5955 Nov 2014 #28
The most disgusting part of this assumption is the idea that black parents somehow aren't teaching Iris Nov 2014 #29
"Talk back to a police officer" is an impossibly vague and overbroad moral KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #30
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^ was my first thought too.. socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #42
What if the cop is causing you pain gwheezie Nov 2014 #31
That's one of the "rules" loyalsister Nov 2014 #32
The cops have a hard job, they never know even with a routine trafic violation doc03 Nov 2014 #36
The 10 Deadliest Jobs: seabeyond Nov 2014 #37
So does that mean more should be killed or what? doc03 Nov 2014 #38
It means they don't really have an excuse to act as an occupying army Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #40
Well if they want to claim some sort of "Most Dangerous Job" award...... socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #44
That's the creed Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #39
Talking back to a police officer will almost certainly not benefit you. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #41
I think the Supreme Court recently ruled you don't really have a constitutional right to silence justiceischeap Nov 2014 #43
We aren't subjects or property, and freedom means nothing if we surrender it immediately bhikkhu Nov 2014 #45
How about "You should never be tasered, bludgeoned, shot, or killed for talking back to a LEO?" Gormy Cuss Nov 2014 #46
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