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JDPriestly

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53. He killed someone. The question is did he really have a defense that society recognizes?
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 05:12 PM
Nov 2014

He has not been found guilty, but he hasn't been found innocent either. His guilt or innocence is in question.

Unlike many similar situations, there is no question: Wilson killed Brown. The shooting itself was brutal -- some say up to 12 bullets were fired and while Brown was at some distance from Wilson, apparently trying to get away or returning. That is unclear. A lot of things are unclear.

A trial with sharp cross-examinations would clarify things. I think a trial is needed.

Which of the witnesses were telling the truth? Which were confused but well meaning?

What law applies? Can a police officer shoot someone because that someone insults the officer?

To what extent was Wilson responsible for escalating a minor incident into a very violent incident? Was he responsible for that at all? Did he have, as a police officer, a duty to try to diffuse an angry situation? Did he have the right to assault Brown by opening his police car door so as to hit Brown and brush Johnson? Did he really know about the theft of the cigarillos when he backed up his car to confront Brown for Brown's angry statement?

There are many, many questions that should be answered in a trial. The ultimate question is whether the killing was really self-defense or was Wilson looking for an opportunity to use his gun on someone? Wilson will probably be found innocent because in a trial, the jury would have to find him guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Wilson gets the benefit of the doubt. But a life has been lost, a young life, and as the OP states, at this point Wilson has not been deemed innocent. He is neither guilty nor innocent. The Grand Jury does not determine guilt or innocence. It determines whether there is sufficient evidence to warrant a trial. The Grand Jury tried to determine guilt or innocence. That was not its job. When around 12 bullets are fired at an unarmed person, there should be a trial of the person who fired the shots.

Can anyone shoot anyone and then just claim he did it because he was scared and it's OK? I don't think so. Would a reasonable police officer have been that frightened in that situation? What alternatives would a reasonable police officer have had under those circumstances?

It may be legally or socially permissible to give Wilson a free killing just because he was a police officer, but, as a society, we should not accept that standard.

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It Isnt His Fault He Isn't Standing Trial. Socal31 Nov 2014 #1
He should be the first demanding a new jury RobertEarl Nov 2014 #4
How can you say he deserves a fair trial in one breath SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #25
He is guilty of.... RobertEarl Nov 2014 #28
In other words SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #47
He killed someone. The question is did he really have a defense that society recognizes? JDPriestly Nov 2014 #53
Thing is, in this country, it is innocent until proven guilty SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #54
What the Grand Jury decides depends to a great extent on how the prosecutor picks and presents JDPriestly Dec 2014 #58
My heart bleeds for him HERVEPA Nov 2014 #2
Define "innocent man". LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #3
Wow. eom uppityperson Nov 2014 #5
Hard to believe isn't it. nt brer cat Nov 2014 #7
Some are showing their true colors..... neverforget Nov 2014 #10
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #6
Didn't realize facts were racist. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #9
Those are not true "facts" but a lot of made up dialogue to say it was ok to shoot someone not uppityperson Nov 2014 #13
Nooo... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #23
Nooo... they are not "Facts". The only one that comes close is shoplifting cigars. uppityperson Nov 2014 #27
He didn't assault that old man? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #29
Difficult to say what is going on there. He didn't attack a police officer. uppityperson Nov 2014 #30
Please RobertEarl Nov 2014 #8
You mean a mindset that facts matter? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #22
Those are not facts RobertEarl Nov 2014 #24
Right... people should not allow physical evidence and first hand testimony sway their opinion LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #33
You have a predisposition RobertEarl Nov 2014 #36
Where have I ever said Wilson was right to shoot an unarmed man? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #39
There's no proof he assaulted Wilson. Other than Wilson's own testimony. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #11
Well, except for Brown's blood in the driver's side Wilson's police car. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #21
What you got there is evidence of a struggle and a Brown being hit by gunfire. BootinUp Nov 2014 #31
Why was he inside the driver's side of the police car? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #35
I don't have any problem thinking he could have been held at the door BootinUp Nov 2014 #38
Wilson is 6'4", same as Michael was. uppityperson Nov 2014 #40
Yeah, I "misrepresented" by 8lbs on a 292lb. man. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #44
Excess weight doesn't make you stronger. It makes you slower. gollygee Nov 2014 #48
It makes you a hell of a lot harder to pull into the driver's seat of a car... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #49
Makes it hard to be successful maybe gollygee Nov 2014 #50
It makes it damn hard to be successful. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #52
Michael managed to punch Wilson's right jaw through the window? Yet the door banging into him, him uppityperson Nov 2014 #32
What!? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #34
Ok right, he has to go through life as the guy who shot the Demon Hulk... BootinUp Nov 2014 #12
"Innocence" Defined saintsebastian Nov 2014 #14
Isnt wilson also innocent until proven guilty. Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #41
Sure, he's also the only one alive. So why isn't there going to be a trial? BootinUp Nov 2014 #42
Innocent until proven guilty is the standard. TexasProgresive Nov 2014 #46
OJ had a trial XemaSab Nov 2014 #15
That is an interesting way of looking at it. Would justice be served if he had such a trial and was uppityperson Nov 2014 #16
Trials don't clear people's names. Igel Nov 2014 #17
You seem to have stated the GJ was correct? RobertEarl Nov 2014 #19
The GJ voted based upon the "case" laid out to them by the avebury Nov 2014 #56
Wow just fucking wow! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #18
Yes, poor Wilson. NuclearDem Nov 2014 #20
I guess I am the only one that sees what you did there. nt Rex Nov 2014 #26
Not really. bravenak Nov 2014 #51
You really need to clarify your meaning here if you are in fact being ironic. nt ucrdem Nov 2014 #37
Won't help. Lizzie Borden was found "Not Guilty" and children were still singing that song. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #43
Perhaps he sees it as "the grand jury was given every last piece of evidence.... Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #45
I see what you did here. Autumn Nov 2014 #55
For those who are not fans of Wilson, he will go down for the avebury Nov 2014 #57
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