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145. And to pretend that Third Way Democrats will defend the Constitution at this point,
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:59 AM
Dec 2014

after six years of watching that "goddamned piece of paper" be assaulted almost into oblivion, is beyond absurd.

This is the garbage of Third Way talking points. We are continually urged to put our faith in wolves to defend us, when those very same wolves have been eating us alive.

Hillary defends NSA spying and mass surveillance of the American people. She is poster child for the warmongering state that has implemented the trashing of our Constitution through Kill Lists, indefinite detention, and perversion of our laws to persecute journalists and whistleblowers and political protesters under the name of "terrorism."

And she is the architect of the next major assault on our democracy through the use of "trade policy" to allow multinational corporations to overrule our own democratic laws and protections.

No, Hillary will not defend the Constitution. On the contrary, she stands solidly with the corporate politicians and corporate alliances that are putting it into the ground.

The stench of Hillary's corporatism is as rank as the stench of this corporate presidency that is dismantling democracy itself and subverting our representative government for the interests of corporations.

This nation cannot afford another corporate administration. We need to become the 99 percent and demand corporate money and power out of politics. Run, Bernie Sanders, run in 2016.




Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x380450

When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022101960

What is the NSA really for? (Corporate power and suppression of dissent)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024215519

"Clear evidence of collusion between TransCanada and the federal government assisting local police to unlawfully monitor and harass political protestors”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023049508

Corporate Espionage and the Secret War Against Citizen Activism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111643982

NSA Spying Not Very Focused on Terrorism: Power, Money and Crushing Dissent Are Real Motives Ops
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023923016

Keiser Report: CIA, NSA & Economic Espionage (E498) (second half with Greg Palast)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017146372

Spooky Business: Corporate Espionage Against Non-profits
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024106205

NSA data could be most useful for connected types on Wall Street.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022983519

NSA spied on EU's Anti Trust Chief
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024204596

2011: Wall Street firms spy on protesters with police in tax-funded center
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023286585

OUTRAGEOUS: Our Tax Money Funds Gov Surveillance Center In Lower Manhattan--& Wall St Is Part Of It!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2178769

NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101620852

Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022104861

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101655620

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022355307

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2185303

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

Obama administration complicit with private prison industry: President Obama's IncarcerNation
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022084702

NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022064803

NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289

Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022087323

While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022390581

How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022318187

Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022122464

Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014337039

NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022357078

Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022383596

Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095056]

FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022061578

FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022057064

Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021965291

Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021920967

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1074474

Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022145621

Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021876414

From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276742

Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275570

Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022237059

Social Media and the Stasi
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021888029

Homeland Security Wants to More Than Double Its Predator Drone Fleet Inside the US, Despite Safety/Privacy Invasions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014312823

CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022280285

“I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275128

Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525281

How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy
http://election.democraticunderground.com/101655009

Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7545687

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014394770

DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022339091

One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Control'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025225549

Petition Calls On Obama Stop Intimidation Of Journalists And Whistleblowers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025509395

U.S. Plunges in Global Press Freedom Rankings As Obama Wages War on Whistleblowers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024488178

Obama Promises, Including Whistleblower Protections, Disappear
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014549454

President Obama on Whistleblowers: Then and Now -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x536574

Obama's unprecedented war on whistleblowers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101613051

James Risen: Obama Is 'Greatest Enemy To Press Freedom In A .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025401662

An Assault from Obama's Escalating War on Journalism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025030391

Obama administration to reveal legal justification for killing Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014808253

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

NSA Phone Snooping Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014542562

Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk collection
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10023337088

NSA can store a billion cell phone calls.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023125853

N.S.A. Examines Social Networks of U.S. Citizens (Decision Made In Secret 2010)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014605329

PBS Frontline Exposes (Softly) Bush's and Obama's Authorization and Coverup of NSA Spying
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/eric-zuesse/55928/pbs-frontline-exposes-softly-bushs-and-obamas-authorization-and-coverup-of-nsa-illegal-surveillance-of-

Stopping police militarization = confronting corporate politicians (increased under Obama)
...http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025416709

Federal grants drive the militarization of police departments
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025383806

Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023300531

James Clapper Calls Journalists "Criminal Accomplices" -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017174990

Rachel Maddow on David Miranda and the White House
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/19/1232435/-Rachel-Maddow-on-David-Miranda-and-the-White-House

Obama Pentagon Employs Bush-Era Propagandists to Screen Embedding Journalists
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6380567

Obama the Conservative: Little Hope for Change
http://www.obamatheconservative.com/

Obama: After 911, we tortured some folks.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014860709''

Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable-obama-quashed-torture-investigation

"My Head Exploded When Obama Sanctimoniously Said, 'We Tortured Some Folks'"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025339047

Obama Administration: Further Legitimizing Targeted Assassinations by Drones
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/05/02/further-legitimizing-targeted-assassinations-by-drones/

Washington gets explicit: its 'war on terror' is permanent
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/17/endless-war-on-terror-obama

President Obama’s Dragnet (New York Times Editorial)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022960012

Obama Justice Dept. declines to pursue allegations that CIA spied on Senate Intelligence Committee
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014843337

Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11781446

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration DOJ fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

DEA and DOJ Struck Deal with Mexico's Most Notorious Drug Cartel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4410768
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1#ixzz2qKWem3w8

Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

DOJ lied to Supreme Court about domestic surveillance
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140514/06214727229/doj-still-trying-to-hide-fact-it-flat-out-lied-to-supreme-court-about-domestic-surveillance.shtml

The Obama administration/DOJ war on whistleblowers and federal unions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586389

DOJ Mysteriously Quits Monsanto Antitrust Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021911441

Holder/Obama administration seeks to legalize lying in response to Freedom of Information requests.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586380

NSA Phone Spying Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014542562

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches for minor traffic stops.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586369
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Holder overlooks DEA abuse of spying information, construction of false evidence trails against Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1168570

DOJ goes all the way to the SC to argue for warrantless GPS tracking on cars
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586375

Obama/Holder War on Journalism coming to a head (Risen)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101699216
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/04/obamas-war-journalism-coming-head
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1269998

Obama/Holder more hostile to medical marijuana patients than any president in history
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002650922
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5585204

Feds seek hard prison time for rural Washington pot growers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014801804

Obama DOJ spying on AP reporters, editors re: leaks; other news organizations
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/opinion/spying-on-the-associated-press.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014487549

Obama/Holder DOJ drags out Tesoro investigation (Refinery Explosion) for 4 years; no criminal charges vs. Big Energy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025407823

Obama DOJ drags feet at accountability on Deepwater Horizon
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/doj-sits-on-its-thumbs/

Obama DOJ Allows Bank of America to Deduct $12 Billion of $17 Billion Settlement
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5427407

Exporting Corruption (Asset Forfeiture), DOJ Looks for Lucrative Overseas Partnerships
http://www.forfeiturereform.com/exporting_corruption_doj_looks_for_lucrative_overseas_partnerships

Obama/Holder Leak Investigations Outrageous and Unprecedented
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/05/obama_s_justice_department_holder_s_leak_investigations_are_outrageous_and.html

The DoJ under Obama/Holder refused to prosecute anyone for torture...but Holder had no problem prosecuting a CIA agent who leaked the name of a torturer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022846735
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/us/former-cia-officer-pleads-guilty-in-leak-case.html?_r=0

Too Big to Jail: Letting criminal banks and bankers off the hook
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024906501
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017201343
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025558689
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014571503
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025503531

Obama Justice Department Sues Telecom for Challenging National Security Letter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014170619

Obama DOJ Argues ‘No Constitutional Right Not to Become an Informant’
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10025309330

Operation Choke Point- The DOJ using banks to shut down industries they don't like
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024880788

Obama/Holder DOJ Looks To Overturn Ruling That Would Apply Fair Sentencing Act Retroactively
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023334909

How Eric Holder Facilitated the Most Unjust Presidential Pardon in American History
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023253563

Holder and Obama Dishonesty On Mandatory Minimums, the Drug War and Mass Incarceration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023492539

US & NSA Accused of (Holder defends) Criminal Privacy Violations in Dozens of Nations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023086724

Obama DOJ defends NSA's Associational Tracking Program; No justification even in Patriot Act
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023455121

US declares socialists Freedom Road a terrorist organization
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/09/raid-s29.html

ACLU sues as DOJ ignores surveillance transparency law
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/aclu-sues-doj-ignores-surveillance-transparency-law

Obama Justice Department has launched twice as many Espionage Act prosecutions against domestic leakers as all previous administrations combined.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The only official punished by Obama DOJ for the illegal NSA program was the one who discussed it. The same is now true of torture.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/27/obama-war-on-whistleblowers-purpose

DOJ Drone Memo revealed: Government can overrule 4th amendment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11784727

Heavy Redactions in DOJ Memo leave doubts on Data Surveillance Program
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101952

Justice Department And NSA Memos Proposing Broader Powers For NSA To Collect Data
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023114180

DOJ's outrageously aggressive prosecution of internet activist, Aaron Swartz
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/22/al-franken-eric-holder_n_2934627.html

Under Obama DOJ, Bradley Birkenfeld, UBS Whistleblower, Finds Himself in Federal Prison
http://www.cnbc.com//id/41257962

Obama/Holder DOJ sided with Rove in politically motivated prosecution of fr. AL governor, Don Siegelman,
Then, the person who handled the paperwork, got onto the Supreme Court.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Elena-Kagan--Willing-Acco-by-Michael-Collins-100622-971.html





I'll let the primaries decide. zappaman Nov 2014 #1
Good idea, and whoever is the democratic nominee I will vote for still_one Nov 2014 #15
Yep - agree. Completely. nt MADem Nov 2014 #26
Amen! n/t SylviaD Nov 2014 #30
You called it (nt) reACTIONary Nov 2014 #62
While Clinton is better than 100% of possible Republicans... Scootaloo Nov 2014 #79
Maybe still_one Dec 2014 #101
I won't be participating. MoonRiver Dec 2014 #121
I will be voting for the Democratic nominee because I know just how important the SC is, and will do still_one Dec 2014 #134
"Those so-called Democrats who don't are irrelevant." CrispyQ Dec 2014 #150
They are going to have to live with the consequences for decades, not me still_one Dec 2014 #164
If the Democratic party has strategized themselves into a one issue party, then shame on them. CrispyQ Dec 2014 #197
The stakes are high indeed Central Scruitinizer Dec 2014 #187
Your assessment is wrong regarding Hillary on the social issues. still_one Dec 2014 #190
I would suggest that you read her book for a start. olegramps Dec 2014 #196
Maybe you misunderstood. MoonRiver Dec 2014 #206
Although Hillary would not be my top pick, I think we will need a moderate to win searchfortruth1 Dec 2014 #199
Hillary has this done! yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #202
Well said. We have seen what the SC is doing to us now--it can not riversedge Dec 2014 #129
The next president will determine the direction of the supreme court. There is no doubt in my mind still_one Dec 2014 #137
"they will pay the consequences". No, it is ALL of us who riversedge Dec 2014 #146
true still_one Dec 2014 #147
yay "the SC is the most important issue of the next election " belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #135
and you were right. However, now there won't be just a court that leans right, if a republican wins still_one Dec 2014 #138
There is nothing more important than stopping Hillary woo me with science Dec 2014 #141
Whoever is the Democratic nominee is better than the republican period. All one needs to do is look still_one Dec 2014 #144
Voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten me what I was voting against in the first place. CrispyQ Dec 2014 #156
The Supreme Court is not the lessor of two evils, and if you cannot see the difference on that still_one Dec 2014 #162
Thank you for this. Hillary is Republican lite... CoffeeCat Dec 2014 #158
If she runs and wins the nomination I suspect you won't spend much time at the Democratic still_one Dec 2014 #163
And yeah, that would suck for me... CoffeeCat Dec 2014 #192
"...politically homeless." CrispyQ Dec 2014 #195
I honestly don't think the plan by corporate Democrats is to win. woo me with science Dec 2014 #219
The Democrats are not the helpless babies they pretend to be... CoffeeCat Dec 2014 #223
Well said. woo me with science Dec 2014 #224
Couldn't agree more. We would be better off with any Dem but Hillary & have an easier time crushing the Rethug nominee. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #167
And to pretend that Third Way Democrats will defend the Constitution at this point, woo me with science Dec 2014 #145
Outstanding, woo. hifiguy Dec 2014 #182
100% absolutely. SCOTUS should be our FOCUS come 2016. eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #176
Absolutely! That's why Hillary should not be our candidate. We need a liberal president who will ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #185
So, you're saying that Bader-Ginsberg and Steven Breyer are wishy-washy moderates? Really?? BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #203
Amen! n/t SylviaD Nov 2014 #29
The one thing I can be sure of SteveG Nov 2014 #74
So you dont care if INdemo Nov 2014 #82
So get your shit together and find a different candidate. zappaman Nov 2014 #87
Well we dont need a Republican lite INdemo Dec 2014 #123
Feed me! demwing Dec 2014 #127
We currently have a Democratic President. dotymed Dec 2014 #139
People hate to talk about Caretha Dec 2014 #213
I will gladly fight to make Hillary Clinton our next president, cheapdate Dec 2014 #214
Me too and I will support and vote for the democratic candidate workinclasszero Dec 2014 #124
That is what primaries are for ... Cosmocat Dec 2014 #125
Second this one and will vote for the nominee question everything Dec 2014 #181
I agree!! nt DawgHouse Dec 2014 #189
I Will Vote Against In The Primary billhicks76 Dec 2014 #198
I can't say if I will vote against her in the primaries since I don't know who is running. zappaman Dec 2014 #201
The claim is definitely false. nt BootinUp Nov 2014 #2
How so? I'm listening. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #6
Because BootinUp Nov 2014 #8
Yeah, I'm sure she's waiting for the environmental impact studies..... ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2014 #9
I think the real "crock" (nice "civil" discussion, there, pal) comes from a mindset MADem Nov 2014 #27
Why wouldn't she? joshcryer Nov 2014 #92
Well, I'll go with those members of Congress who signed on to the claim made ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #10
They didn't even have anything to stand on, read the statement(letter). BootinUp Nov 2014 #12
Everything she did is stale at this point. But it will ALL be fresh again when ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #14
What in the world could the "government impact study" say that would influence her rhett o rick Nov 2014 #21
"This project is illegal." joshcryer Nov 2014 #94
That doesn't answer my question. Does she think it's cool now and maybe the study will reveal rhett o rick Dec 2014 #102
Why wouldn't she defer to the experts? joshcryer Dec 2014 #103
The Canadian dotymed Dec 2014 #142
Tar sands already go via Keystone. joshcryer Dec 2014 #221
You mean like McCullough deferred to the Grand Jury. I think she should be able to rhett o rick Dec 2014 #154
I would have zero respect if she didn't differ to scientists. joshcryer Dec 2014 #220
What assessment do we need to recognize that having a pipeline cross rhett o rick Dec 2014 #222
I think her tenure on walmarts board of directors is more damaging. Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #3
Really? Being the first female board member there EVER? Forcing the corporation to MADem Nov 2014 #35
Kinda contradictory there. Union Scribe Nov 2014 #49
Not contradictory at all--she was "allowed" to nibble around the edges. MADem Nov 2014 #60
Well it comes across as an exercise Union Scribe Nov 2014 #64
What do you mean "comes across?" In other words, like so many women and MADem Nov 2014 #72
That has become common boilerplate language. zeemike Nov 2014 #86
Yep. And her husband was ... Governor of Arkansas! closeupready Dec 2014 #119
Her law firm represented WM in several litigations. MADem Dec 2014 #153
Clinton Remained Silent As Wal-Mart Fought Unions RiverLover Nov 2014 #52
She was the junior token on a board that didn't WANT her there in the first place. MADem Nov 2014 #57
That would be OK if she weren't running for presient and if Walmart were not supporting her. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #104
Come off it--that is just a lame remark. She wasn't "running for President" MADem Dec 2014 #148
Yes, Hear hear. Some posters here proves that a little smattering of knowlege lumpy Nov 2014 #58
What was that, 40 years ago? LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #173
Not for the conservative wing of the party. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2014 #4
Oooo-ooo So am I supposed to be scared and/or intimidated by that? nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #16
I hope you aren't. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2014 #17
Hhmm. 99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #18
That's a mighty broad brush you're using. "Hate" is pretty strong. cheapdate Nov 2014 #28
Of course, Sen. Warren is on the letter asking the WH to @#$% off. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #5
The Koch Brothers would love them some Hillary Clinton power. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #7
I don't think so either, NYC_SKP. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #11
She is as tied to the oil industry as she is to wall street~ RiverLover Nov 2014 #13
This is ridiculous. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2014 #19
This is what happened, & you're right, its ridiculous. RiverLover Nov 2014 #24
Oh..oh-oh-oh... but that's staaaaaale! nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #20
:-) RiverLover Nov 2014 #25
Isn't it more likely... uberblonde Nov 2014 #47
yep. the potus calls he shots on an issue like this (nt ) reACTIONary Nov 2014 #68
It was over in 2003. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #22
Just another nail. But I can't imagine any possible GOP canidate that I'd vote for against her. marble falls Nov 2014 #23
Primaries come before the generals, so you'll have a few Democrats on the menu. nt NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #38
Like I said, I won't vote for her in the primaries but I won't vote against her if she gets the nod. marble falls Nov 2014 #41
THERE you go! Cosmocat Dec 2014 #126
I'm seeing Hillary tomorrow...should I give her fair warning? brooklynite Nov 2014 #31
Give her ring a big kiss for us Union Scribe Nov 2014 #33
hehe, yep. closeupready Dec 2014 #120
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #36
Whatever makes ya feel good.... brooklynite Nov 2014 #56
Just curious... Union Scribe Nov 2014 #65
Same as it would be if she wasn't there... brooklynite Nov 2014 #77
Why should she be president? nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #100
$1,000, or nearly a month's income for many people on Social Security. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #105
I agree that campaigns cost too much... brooklynite Dec 2014 #109
Sad but true. I just like to put things in perspective. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #160
If you have $1,000 to throw away, bvar22 Dec 2014 #175
Of course...because ALL Wealthy people are conservative..... brooklynite Dec 2014 #179
Just an observation, I would NOT have alerted #36... brooklynite Nov 2014 #80
I'm sick of the insults. I'm glad it got alerted. SunSeeker Dec 2014 #136
Both ends of the spectrum? Caretha Dec 2014 #217
I personally helped her with her husband's gubernatorial race so that you are ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #66
Enjoy. joshcryer Dec 2014 #95
The debate isn't "over", but HRC *will* be our candidate. About time, too. n/t SylviaD Nov 2014 #32
Why should she be our candidate and how is it a given and how is it about time? nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #34
Some of us on DU think... SylviaD Nov 2014 #37
Yes, I was here and i know. That doesn't answer my questions. So, you're saying ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #42
I'm not here to debate you. n/t SylviaD Nov 2014 #43
Then why are you here? Why did you comment in MY thread? Tell ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #45
Why did I comment? Good Q. Going back to lurking. SylviaD Dec 2014 #113
Women and men ought to wait for the right candidate, not vote on their reproductive parts. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #46
Good post. 840high Nov 2014 #75
+1 davidpdx Dec 2014 #131
you sure as hell can't speak for women in general or women on DU, Syl cali Dec 2014 #106
Fine. n/t SylviaD Dec 2014 #114
I'd say…she had her time CoffeeCat Dec 2014 #191
There are two Hillarys. Maedhros Nov 2014 #67
hear hear DemandsRedPill Dec 2014 #207
Yep, Amen to that! juajen Dec 2014 #99
etc. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #39
Thank you. Hillary supporters, please walk us through your rebuttal of this graphic.... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #44
Sure. It looks something like this: ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2014 #55
That was dismissal, not rebuttal. Union Scribe Nov 2014 #61
Yes, verily. Makes one wonder about Clinton haters. What are their motivations? lumpy Nov 2014 #81
Exactly. Though I can guess a few motives... n/t SylviaD Nov 2014 #84
Looking upthread, would I be wrong in guessing that your guess is "sexism"? Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #111
You would have to be blind not to see rampant sexism in today's society incuding on DU. n/t SylviaD Dec 2014 #112
Sure, at least to the former, but that's the answer to a different question. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #115
Like I said, not here to debate. Mistake to post. You win. n/t SylviaD Dec 2014 #116
I'm curious, then - why are you here? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #117
I have been here since 2008 because SylviaD Dec 2014 #122
do tell. what do you think they are, lumpy? cali Dec 2014 #107
Left-wing politics, and the desire for a more left-wing candidate, in the main. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #110
You are not addressing the accusations, but a strawman that she is a Koch favorite instead karynnj Dec 2014 #151
The senator lost me when she voted with the credit card companies in personal bankruptcies... Octafish Nov 2014 #40
Peak Oil! nt BootinUp Nov 2014 #48
Is that supposed to be another argument as to why Hillary should be president? Because... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #70
I welcome your defeat and the rest of your Legalequilibrium78 Nov 2014 #50
Yikes! nt darkangel218 Nov 2014 #54
How can oil be "here to stay" when there is only a finite amount of it? arcane1 Nov 2014 #71
Obviously he/she thought they were posting on FR. darkangel218 Dec 2014 #169
What's so good about Hillary? Why not just vote for a Republican, then. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #78
Wow!! Are you my arch nemesis? A super-villian unbeknownst to all, until now?? ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #89
Horsepucky Jack Rabbit Dec 2014 #97
The Debate Was Over A Long Time Ago For This Progressive cantbeserious Nov 2014 #51
Let them eat cake! DeSwiss Nov 2014 #53
the racist shit the Clintons tried in '08 is enough for me to tell them to fuck off LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #59
And the sexism she was subjected to, that doesn't register, right? Of course not. n/t SylviaD Nov 2014 #85
Not from the Obama camp.That is not his style. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #88
so the sexism she was subjected to cancels out the racist shit her campaign employed? cali Dec 2014 #108
The sexism shit does not excuse or cancel out the racist shit. djean111 Dec 2014 #186
At 40 a barrel who is going to want tar sand oil? Saved by the market. CK_John Nov 2014 #63
As I recall, at least "historically" kentauros Dec 2014 #133
Obviously that is all you need to know about anything. lumpy Nov 2014 #69
the debate was over for me a long time ago. I will not vote for Hillary. liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #73
Hillary in 2016 and Jeb in 2020 then Hillary, Jeb, Chelsea....................... jalan48 Nov 2014 #76
Nah, it'll be Julian Castro in 2020 or 2024. joshcryer Dec 2014 #96
im voting for whomever supports ending the drug war. Garion_55 Nov 2014 #83
K&R. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #90
I will vote for my best candidate in the primary and also in the general election. bullimiami Nov 2014 #91
I'm voting for whoever wins the Democratic primary bhikkhu Nov 2014 #93
Only if you're a single issue voter and that's your single issue. n/t pnwmom Dec 2014 #98
That single issue (no, it's not my only issue with her) shows that she sneakily works ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #155
The language you quoted does not appear at the link. nt geek tragedy Dec 2014 #118
You noticed that too, huh? Recursion Dec 2014 #140
I have edited my post and thanked geek tragedy for bringing this to my attention. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #184
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have edited to OP to account for this discrepancy.nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #183
K & R +++ Thespian2 Dec 2014 #128
completely agree with you, chisolmtraildem hopemountain Dec 2014 #130
But as you can see from the above posts rock Dec 2014 #132
I didn't realize it was that simple - el_bryanto Dec 2014 #143
I support her. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #149
Cool story. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #152
Why? nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #165
Because I think she's the most qualified. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #166
She was third behind Edwards in Iowa. She lost one primary already. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #168
Yes, I'm aware of that. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #170
Yea, if what you need is a Wall Street/MIC country, then I guess she is qualified. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #171
Last time I checked, Edwards isn't running in 2016... brooklynite Dec 2014 #194
I can't stand Hillary Clinton.. CoffeeCat Dec 2014 #157
This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #159
Deleted above post. Realized someone, instead of debating my comment, would instead ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #161
Alert on what? CoffeeCat Dec 2014 #193
Wasn't referring to your post #157. Was referring to my post #159 in which I made a comment ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #200
I see! CoffeeCat Dec 2014 #210
I don't support her has our nominee. Since I'm the author of the OP, in which I declare ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #218
You speak for me, CoffeeCat. hifiguy Dec 2014 #177
Look close and you'll find a Keystone connection to most dems...nt joeybee12 Dec 2014 #172
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #174
They're welcome to go start their own party and website. Or, keep it simple and go ahead ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #180
I am a Hillary supporter and not a third wayer! hrmjustin Dec 2014 #208
I do not vote for Conservatives. Maedhros Dec 2014 #178
Everyone said Hillary was a lock to be the nominee in 2008. It didn't happen though. TeamPooka Dec 2014 #188
Clinton seems to be stuck in the 1990's. Utopian Leftist Dec 2014 #204
Hopefully she wont get nominated. darkangel218 Dec 2014 #205
Truthfully, it was over long before you posted this BootinUp Dec 2014 #209
She long ago stopped being a Dem. Pure-blood corporatist. Roland99 Dec 2014 #211
Not good.. KeystoneXL is stupid. Cha Dec 2014 #212
This OP is hogwash, period. nt BootinUp Dec 2014 #216
She will be the candidate IkeRepublican Dec 2014 #215
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