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118. "We" has always meant humanity or society to me

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:59 PM

Dec 2014

There's been plenty of progress in several demographics as to letting go of limiting beliefs and opening up to new possibilities.

My own people have been crabs in a barrel sometimes, telling me that I can't or don't deserve certain ambitions because I'm not white. F that. We could all use some progress. TV and other media have helped show that we can do more than just the few selected careers we have been self limited into before.

I'm American regardless of how I look. I know for a fact that many of my own thoughts of what is even possible for me to go after and achieve has progressed a hell of a lot more than some others since I was born and raised in this country. Several members of my family (including me) are completely baffled as to how I got my current job. Yet here I am. In case you're wondering, affirmative action works against people like me, and most of my jobs I have been the only one with English as a first language up until now. Its almost as if my previous employers have so many people on visas that they don't realize Indian-Americans exist.

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Chris Rock: It's not black people who have progressed. It's white people. [View all] kpete Dec 2014 OP

The man has a point tkmorris Dec 2014 #1

Brilliant (although a quick perusal of the online comments section KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #2

You even hear crazy white people in casual conversation. gordianot Dec 2014 #5

Amen rbrnmw Dec 2014 #18

He's talking privilege. Orsino Dec 2014 #3

Agreed Mr Dixon Dec 2014 #4

frankly, I think his comments are a garbled mess cali Dec 2014 #6

cali kpete Dec 2014 #8

I totally agree, Kpete. juajen Dec 2014 #26

Another agreement! Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #98

Weak sauce cali Darb Dec 2014 #125

that's probably because ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #133

Chris Rock is one of the best commentators around iandhr Dec 2014 #7

ROCK kpete Dec 2014 #9

K & R nt okaawhatever Dec 2014 #10

Been saying this for a while now. bravenak Dec 2014 #11

substitute sexism for racism and females for black people and it all becomes really, really clear. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2014 #36

Same thing with homophobia and antisemitism. bravenak Dec 2014 #43

exactly. Succintly put and easy (I hope) for anyone to understand. These comments by Chris Rock Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2014 #48

yep. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #101

Fair or not, it is your job not to be bullied and that means it is your job to stop them if you can TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #104

yeah...and that also applies to the larger issues we're talking sbout... BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #107

Exactly what I thought after B.'s post!. True like homophobia, antisemitism pointed out. appalachiablue Dec 2014 #116

Always, the person, in charge of the scenario, is the one responsible for their actions. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2014 #137

Or, to make DU REALLY understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #134

It is at this point. I have said for a long time it is getting to a point the Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2014 #136

you are correct, fxstc Dec 2014 #59

No. In the end the aggressor must stop the aggression. bravenak Dec 2014 #60

really? fxstc Dec 2014 #64

Yes, really. bravenak Dec 2014 #67

+1 nt ChazII Dec 2014 #89

fantastic, Bravenak. kwassa Dec 2014 #90

Thanks Kwassa. bravenak Dec 2014 #91

When enough white people feel as victimized by the people who run their fucked up economic system, Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #102

I hope so. bravenak Dec 2014 #105

Or they'll just blame it on the "Takers" and "Moochers" and "Welfare Cheats" YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #135

Good Point Long Drive Dec 2014 #139

Such truth. Yet when the conservatives have had enough if the abuse their handler masters Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #142

**** THIS NEEDS TO BE AN OP (so I can Rec it) **** Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2014 #111

Totally agree Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #131

so true, bravenak. i am beyond tired of the mindset that believes that black people locdlib Dec 2014 #66

Thank you. bravenak Dec 2014 #68

Well said! mountain grammy Dec 2014 #95

Rev. Al, Jamaal510 Dec 2014 #112

My bad. bravenak Dec 2014 #114

Wow, is that why were mentioned? That comment about the three of them made NO sense to me Number23 Dec 2014 #123

Wow.... BronxBoy Dec 2014 #62

exactly what I was saying fxstc Dec 2014 #65

too obvious JI7 Dec 2014 #92

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #94

Riiiiigggghhhhtttt....... Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #106

indeed! n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #99

It's a catch-22 Aerows Dec 2014 #122

I guess we may just have to deal with the whiners. bravenak Dec 2014 #127

Shutting up isn't in the cards Aerows Dec 2014 #138

Good comedians, are philosophers first. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #12

He's a really smart man gollygee Dec 2014 #13

LOL azmom Dec 2014 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Dec 2014 #88

"White people were crazy. Now they're not as crazy." What a racist A-hole. nt clarice Dec 2014 #14

Oh, are you sad? gollygee Dec 2014 #16

So those are all good reasons for racism? I'm not sure that I understand. nt clarice Dec 2014 #17

I'm wondering gollygee Dec 2014 #19

IMO...it's not the "effects" of his comments that matter.... clarice Dec 2014 #23

OK so here's the issue gollygee Dec 2014 #25

fear of reprisal DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #30

HOLY CRAP EVERYBODY.....calm down.....my only point is that what he said is very ugly to me. jeeeez clarice Dec 2014 #34

Maybe this can help you understand - Imagine you are five years old JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #54

I'd like to add one more idea to your excellent illustration.... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2014 #110

You are correct. Look at the difference in klan marches or rallies of any white supremacists 7962 Dec 2014 #119

And in 1994 JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #132

David Duke won a majority of hte white vote in Louisiana in the 1990s gollygee Dec 2014 #144

The owner of that hotel JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #129

slavery and jim crow were very ugly noiretextatique Dec 2014 #82

Very good point JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #130

You're mad he isn't going to be lynched or at least whipped for talking like that, it sounds like. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #108

Fear Of Reprisal? Are You Going To Dunce Cap Him? Long Drive Dec 2014 #140

Therein lies the problem rbrnmw Dec 2014 #20

Please be kind enough to explain it to me....and please be nice. nt clarice Dec 2014 #24

Chris Rock isn't being racist. rbrnmw Dec 2014 #29

Nobody Needs To Explain This To You Long Drive Dec 2014 #141

Of course you know he meant white-dominated culture & not actual "white people," right? cyberswede Dec 2014 #32

OK...but he should have stated so. Words are powerful things. nt clarice Dec 2014 #35

Almost as powerful as our ability to infer an obvious context and meaning LanternWaste Dec 2014 #41

Again, words are powerful things. You are cordially invited to disagree. nt clarice Dec 2014 #42

So's the ability to read things critically... BronxBoy Dec 2014 #63

maybe he didn't care about offending you noiretextatique Dec 2014 #84

But we are crazy Matrosov Dec 2014 #21

Well said.....but....I think you may be painting with a very broad brush. peace.out. nt clarice Dec 2014 #28

What an absolute misrepresentation of his point. bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #22

Again, please explain the misrepresentation. Thank you. clarice Dec 2014 #31

"Crazy" implies mentally ill, or at least something along those lines. His point bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #53

Strawman noted uponit7771 Dec 2014 #27

Yet another instance where you agree with right wingers LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #33

Are you still riding that same tired horse? Please come up with hate speech.... clarice Dec 2014 #38

I'll stop pointing out that you have right wing views LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #39

Oh ok........I didn't realize that you were the opinion police.... clarice Dec 2014 #44

Perhaps you didn't realize this is Democratic Underground LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #46

Ohhhh now I remember why I had you on ignore.....your attack dog hate speech. Back you go. nt clarice Dec 2014 #49

Your right wing opinions are just that-- right wing LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #50

So when a white person is critical of the "black community", that's racist. JoePhilly Dec 2014 #40

You might be interested in the distinction between racism, prejudice, and discrimination. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #47

that would be reverse racism that you are trying to explain which does not exist. peace. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2014 #51

Mostly agree Lucky Luciano Dec 2014 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #75

Will look into that. I never differentiated race based bigotry and racism. nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2014 #78

I fixed my post up at #47 that has an explanation. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #93

Cheers. nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2014 #96

Owning slaves is crazy. Thinking slavery is wrong is less crazy. arcane1 Dec 2014 #61

+1 Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #76

Thanks for keeping the stereotype alive! nt. Starry Messenger Dec 2014 #71

LOL. Iggo Dec 2014 #73

He is using "crazy" but means they were racist treestar Dec 2014 #77

Racism is Crazy. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #109

white people were not crazier? noiretextatique Dec 2014 #81

I don't think he's racist myself, to be honest. AverageJoe90 Dec 2014 #86

Spare us, please, the reverse racist drivel. Darb Dec 2014 #126

That is one smart comedian Android3.14 Dec 2014 #15

Comedians often seem to be really smart people. /nt Marr Dec 2014 #37

when i hear the phrase "we've made progress" in reference to BO being elected yodermon Dec 2014 #45

Me too cyberswede Dec 2014 #52

What I've heard gollygee Dec 2014 #55

Africans ruled huge empires eons before Washington was a baby. Qualified to rule. Rex Dec 2014 #56

Thanks kpete Dec 2014 #70

Ammo is half what it was a couple yrs ago, does he think Obama lowered the prices? 7962 Dec 2014 #120

Far more insane. UN UFO hit squads and aliens run INTERPOL for the NWO crazy. Rex Dec 2014 #121

kick Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #58

I like what he says. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #69

Chris is talking about "celebrities", not .... Whiskeytide Dec 2014 #72

Chris is going to turn the Oscar show out in March. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #79

Have ALWAYS liked this guy. annabanana Dec 2014 #80

Comedians are often smart as shit. BootinUp Dec 2014 #83

I'll meet you about halfway on this, Chris: Both whites AND blacks..... AverageJoe90 Dec 2014 #85

The offended ones in this thread are showing their true colors. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2014 #87

"The offended ones in this thread are showing their true colors" Number23 Dec 2014 #100

it's so clear, once he says it. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #97

The best outcome was the system spiking the Grand Jury as they did Strelnikov_ Dec 2014 #103

During the 1960s, seeing the blatant and brutal police assaults on black children and tblue37 Dec 2014 #128

Awesome! AllyCat Dec 2014 #113

I agree Omnith Dec 2014 #115

Rock is a smart man and he's making a valid point Warpy Dec 2014 #117

"We" has always meant humanity or society to me IronLionZion Dec 2014 #118

And there is still MUCH more progress that can be made! Number23 Dec 2014 #124

No one is going to stop racism except the racists. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #143