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karynnj

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38. Perception, yes - what he said, no

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:07 PM

Dec 2011

In addition, it is perception of people who are to the left of him - and I include myself there. I would suspect that the perception of other groups - like those who had voted for Bush in 2004 and 2000, did not read the same things into his speeches.

In addition, he is a change from where we were - even if you want him to be more of a change.

My point is that I really do not see anything where he took a position in 2008 - and has since worked against it. (If you want examples of that - look at Romney - on everything.)

You might note that I did not say he was the most liberal we could get. As I said, Kerry nearly won in a far tougher year. Had the country moved faster in recovering from 911 or if the media were fairer, he would have won. (I intentionally use liberal because I think its meaning is clearer - though different. I have seen many different definitions of "progressive" - including one that had Byrd as the most progressive Senator one year (!) that I have backed away from the label as ill defined.)

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Obama Is The MOST PROGRESSIVE President That We Can Get In Our Current Political System [View all] Yavin4 Dec 2011 OP

I overwhelmingly disagree with that. dawg Dec 2011 #1

You and the OP both make valid points. nt gateley Dec 2011 #2

rhetoric? bwahaha! unblock Dec 2011 #11

Campaign contributions don't elect a President - voters do. dawg Dec 2011 #17

Obama Won in 2008 Because Bush Was A Horrible President Yavin4 Dec 2011 #14

True, but the point is that he *did* win. dawg Dec 2011 #19

No, he won with the rhetoric he took to the White House. TheWraith Dec 2011 #21

Of course, rhetoric is subjective ... dawg Dec 2011 #28

I disagree - karynnj Dec 2011 #22

Easily the best post I have read here in weeks. So tempered in .... banned from Kos Dec 2011 #25

Thank you nt karynnj Dec 2011 #34

Even you identify areas where reality has been to the right of perception. dawg Dec 2011 #29

Perception, yes - what he said, no karynnj Dec 2011 #38

I don't think we are far from each other on this at all. dawg Dec 2011 #41

There is very little difference between our positions karynnj Dec 2011 #45

+1 great post! unblock Dec 2011 #31

yup. nt tishaLA Dec 2011 #36

That really should slam the door on such apologetic, self-excusing twaddle PurityOfEssence Dec 2011 #30

Kinda sad ain't it? zipplewrath Dec 2011 #3

Which is why we have OWS izquierdista Dec 2011 #4

Yup zipplewrath Dec 2011 #9

no, he was elected in 2008 Enrique Dec 2011 #5

There are no electable "true" progressives. Grayson got stomped in his home district. banned from Kos Dec 2011 #6

I would suggest that more than those listed, Sherrod Brown and Tom Harken are karynnj Dec 2011 #47

Key factor: "pols were not owned lock, stock, and barrel by corporations. " rfranklin Dec 2011 #7

It's "Democratic Underground." Not "Democrat's Underground." savannah43 Dec 2011 #15

And it's "Democratic Party," not "Democrat's Party." MineralMan Dec 2011 #33

There are many politicians not owned by the corporations karynnj Dec 2011 #32

Campaigns financed by the 1 percent will never earn the confidence of the 99 percent rfranklin Dec 2011 #43

I have always been for campaign finance reform karynnj Dec 2011 #44

Unrecced. closeupready Dec 2011 #8

If we learn to fix elections like the GOP'ers do, then we can "elect" savannah43 Dec 2011 #10

I disagree. With the Democratic Party's organization and the GOP's reputation ... T S Justly Dec 2011 #12

And That Dem Would Face Rock Solid Opposition from Blue Dog Dems in the House and the Senate Yavin4 Dec 2011 #16

If that is true SixthSense Dec 2011 #13

Abandoning the Political System Outright Means That The Crazy Right Wins by Default Yavin4 Dec 2011 #20

So does consenting to the status quo SixthSense Dec 2011 #26

right - but does the op even begin to understand that? Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #37

How do you unrec'd this BS? RC Dec 2011 #18

If your perceptions were accurate, you might have a point. They're not, at all. TheWraith Dec 2011 #23

A conservative Republican then was to the Left of what is now billed as a "Liberal". RC Dec 2011 #39

You're again managing to prove you have NO understanding or perspective. TheWraith Dec 2011 #40

I'm dumbfounded. I don't know where to begin to disabuse you of your delusions. RC Dec 2011 #46

You're again managing to prove you have NO understanding or perspective. TheWraith Dec 2011 #42

I don't think that the "Current Political System"..... NCTraveler Dec 2011 #24

I agree. You have to look at the entire political system RainDog Dec 2011 #27

nope. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #35

Agreed, which is why the system has to be scrapped and a new one devised. eom tledford Dec 2011 #48