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154. And just 3 of 22 witnesses supported Wilson's account

Reply to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Dec 2, 2014, 06:25 PM

Dec 2014

The most relevant part of the whole incident is from the time Wilson started shooting to when he finished shooting. Just 3 of the 22 witnesses agreed that Brown charged him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/ferguson-witnesses/

Even if one ignores the other 19 witnesses, as Wilson backers want to do, were those shots to the head necessary?

One of the most telling remarks by Wilson was his characterization of Brown as a "demon". This is what killers do to justify their aggression - exaggerate in their mind the threat. A wounded man might walk towards a police officer to concede. A demon would "charge". A man might cause a minor bruise on his face in a struggle (see photos). A demon might render Wilson one massive blow away from death.

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It's amazing to me, how many ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 OP

It's also amazing how the same people angry with the OJ verdict Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #1

Ding ding we have a winner malaise Dec 2014 #11

Really? How would you know? I'm enraged over BOTH. And both DW and OJ are GUILTY. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #62

Logically the poster wasn't calling you out on this whopis01 Dec 2014 #98

To clarify fadedrose Dec 2014 #105

Fair enough n/t whopis01 Dec 2014 #108

I seem to recall the right wing being pro OJ ALBliberal Dec 2014 #64

You're kidding, right? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author ALBliberal Dec 2014 #69

OT - alerted by Sandia Labs reference Voice for Peace Dec 2014 #129

my guess--and it's just a guess-- is that his football stardom outweighed his skin color BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author ALBliberal Dec 2014 #162

What an interesting coincidence. eom Jamaal510 Dec 2014 #81

The onliest person fadedrose Dec 2014 #104

Hey, I was angry about the OJ verdict, and believe me - I am FURIOUS about this one! calimary Dec 2014 #149

agree and I keep telling rightwing racists this on Facebook... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #2

not true ... Johnson witnessed it (nt) sunnystarr Dec 2014 #136

not the way Wilson described it no... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #147

only because Wilson's a fucking liar ... nt sunnystarr Dec 2014 #148

Very much agree BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #3

I spent a good part of this past weekend ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #9

He did marym625 Dec 2014 #15

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #23

no. I'm sorry marym625 Dec 2014 #24

response 37 has marym625 Dec 2014 #71

I don't doubt that he said that before the grand jury ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #73

He used that word in his first interview marym625 Dec 2014 #74

I really, really doubt that Johnson used the word "destination" brush Dec 2014 #76

Here ya go marym625 Dec 2014 #77

Too be clear ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #90

I do. marym625 Dec 2014 #92

My thought as well brush Dec 2014 #93

I still doubt he used that word during the confrontation brush Dec 2014 #95

No point in our back and forth marym625 Dec 2014 #96

I am with you heaven05 Dec 2014 #145

Glad you said that marym625 Dec 2014 #146

That he was capable of using the word "destination" was not my point. brush Dec 2014 #156

yeah, yeah, yeah. heaven05 Dec 2014 #157

You're still missing the point brush Dec 2014 #158

No not every day heaven05 Dec 2014 #159

Great! I knew we were on the same page � just had to get there. nt brush Dec 2014 #163

Not the same page heaven05 Dec 2014 #166

It's on the video, of course it's a certainty that he used the word then brush Dec 2014 #168

you're heaven05 Dec 2014 #144

this confirms for me heaven05 Dec 2014 #165

The you must have loved the Medical Examiner saying that Wilson must be telling the NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #32

They made DAMN SURE there was no trial BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #41

And when they allegedly corrected that error of the statute they did NOT point out to the NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #43

Even bum boxers take less obvious dives BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #45

I haven't read Wilson's perjury because I read Johnson's and I was so mad BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #37

I have to agree, and I feel the same. chervilant Dec 2014 #58

I'm so glad I don't have to hear that BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #60

They already fired me. chervilant Dec 2014 #63

They did? BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #75

For me pipoman Dec 2014 #4

Does every law enforcement training program say the officer is to empty his weapon Bandit Dec 2014 #18

Pretty much...keep firing until the threat is contained pipoman Dec 2014 #29

Sounds like we have allowed police to become judge, jury and executioner...This is not a NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #35

I raised my kids to only speak to only make a pipoman Dec 2014 #49

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #68

I don't disagree that there is disparity in treatment pipoman Dec 2014 #99

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #109

Again, no doubt there is disparity in treatment pipoman Dec 2014 #161

It's a tough case heaven05 Dec 2014 #65

We can choose to deny the reality of police immunity if we wish pipoman Dec 2014 #100

whatever you need heaven05 Dec 2014 #103

If you are saying you see no need for law enforcement pipoman Dec 2014 #122

your way is the way heaven05 Dec 2014 #134

Nice post sunnystarr Dec 2014 #137

thanks and I heaven05 Dec 2014 #138

So true ... sunnystarr Dec 2014 #140

The sad truth is you apparently prefer pipoman Dec 2014 #141

Lol...yeah pipoman Dec 2014 #139

you're not discussing heaven05 Dec 2014 #143

The realities of having people doing your dirty work pipoman Dec 2014 #160

you ARE NOT heaven05 Dec 2014 #167

immunity? DMay Dec 2014 #132

that one you're responding heaven05 Dec 2014 #135

Reality pipoman Dec 2014 #142

I was eating lunch today with coworkers, and one of them brought up Ferguson. Avalux Dec 2014 #5

"And then he changed the subject" - that is a truly sad vignette you depict, especially KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #150

I made an initial attempt.... Avalux Dec 2014 #153

Was there any evidence that the GJ did not get? badtoworse Dec 2014 #6

You nailed it RobertEarl Dec 2014 #8

:-) marym625 Dec 2014 #17

Sounds like you are not aware of any facts either badtoworse Dec 2014 #27

Really RobertEarl Dec 2014 #31

Uh, no, they acted only on the unchallenged evidence presented to them. kwassa Dec 2014 #36

I am proud to be on the same board as you... NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #39

This board is a wonderful place RobertEarl Dec 2014 #55

The evidence they did not get was in the package but the prosecutor told the GJ that these jwirr Dec 2014 #20

That too is part of presenting all the facts. badtoworse Dec 2014 #28

Sure but there is no trial. jwirr Dec 2014 #119

A prosecutor needs to consider what he can use in court if an indictment is handed down. badtoworse Dec 2014 #120

Unfortunately for justice - McCulloch considered anything that he did not agree with as tainted. We jwirr Dec 2014 #123

I am basing my opinion on what McCulloch said in his press conference badtoworse Dec 2014 #125

On that I agree that if true they would be really bad for any case. Unfortunately the prosecution jwirr Dec 2014 #127

Obama is right. There is a lot of work to be done. badtoworse Dec 2014 #128

Yet there were witnesses who said Wilson got out of his car R B Garr Dec 2014 #131

Correction ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #26

The GJ did not have the option of questioning Wilson? badtoworse Dec 2014 #88

Yes, they were told they had/have that right; but, ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #89

I don't disagree with most of what you posted, but I think there is more to it. badtoworse Dec 2014 #106

I'm glad you have such faith in a prosecutor ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #110

No intention to be insulting or patronizing and I apologize if I came off that way. badtoworse Dec 2014 #114

Just a teaching moment ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #118

And then don't forget his assistant gave them the wrong law to use in this case and did not make a jwirr Dec 2014 #124

The central thing that has bugged me about this GJ presentation all along: why the fuck KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #151

9 were white 3 were black. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #30

You are mistaken. The grand jury was not asked whether "a crime could possibly have been committed". Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #50

No, you are mistaken. Probable cause is not a Grand Jury decision. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #70

Whoa. In that case somebody needs to fix the Wikipedia page. Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #72

Many DUers have stated that the prosecutor should have selectively presented cherry-picked evidence Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #46

And your ignorance was pointed out to you in your thread BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #48

Another person I am proud to be on the internet with... NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #53

Welcome BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #59

They handed the jurors a statute that said it was legal for a cop to shoot a fleeing suspect BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #47

So the correct version of the law was presented to the grand jurors before the deliberations began. Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #52

Can you link us to where it was explained to the GJ what the mistake was? NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #54

If you watch the video, he reads the ADAs words from the transcript BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #56

Whom should we believe? NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #7

I think it is a form of racism... kentuck Dec 2014 #10

bingo...we have a winner eom noiretextatique Dec 2014 #12

This should be an OP malaise Dec 2014 #13

Unfortunately, there's some truth to that. AverageJoe90 Dec 2014 #22

Excellent. Michael Brown was "The Last Straw".. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #34

GREAT point, one groups last straw is yet another dead youngster NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #42

so true, so correct and well said. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #57

Great Post ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #79

Thanks 1SBM ! kentuck Dec 2014 #83

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #84

Yeap, they're even criminalizing the 12yr old kids who was murdered parents!!!!! uponit7771 Dec 2014 #87

It was a Kangaroo Court, nothing more nothing less. sheshe2 Dec 2014 #14

and it was aided and abetted by the prosecutor (McCulloch) LibGranny Dec 2014 #16

Funny Jamaal510 Dec 2014 #82

As I mentioned in an earlier post ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #91

That would be a logical no-brainer in any other first world country. world wide wally Dec 2014 #19

I agree. VOTE NorthCarolina Dec 2014 #21

Why can't mainstreetonce Dec 2014 #25

I have been wondering about this myself flying-skeleton Dec 2014 #33

I have posted that question before,but I have never gotten a legal expert's answer. mainstreetonce Dec 2014 #38

I am not a lawyer, but it is my understanding that the GJ is not a judgement to be logosoco Dec 2014 #44

It can - sort of. The GJ decision isn't the last word whopis01 Dec 2014 #107

What I have seen is they cherry pick BootinUp Dec 2014 #40

That was the grand jury's statement loyalsister Dec 2014 #51

Unfortunately, to many, this is a black/white issue. wcast Dec 2014 #61

the GJ was never meant to be a trial, but it gets played up as one 0rganism Dec 2014 #66

Some of the witnesses must have cellphone pics or vids. No? JEFF9K Dec 2014 #78

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #80

No one finds it curious that no pics or vids have come forth? JEFF9K Dec 2014 #85

Done on purpose... mahalo 1Strong Cha Dec 2014 #86

Agreed ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #94

I remember Lawrence O'Donnell talked about what was supposedly 'Breaking News' on CNN... Stellar Dec 2014 #97

I agree Gothmog Dec 2014 #101

I got that, too ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #113

Wilson had a script and tried to stick to it Gothmog Dec 2014 #126

I'm not amazed JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #102

Or, at a minimum ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #115

New poster JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #130

Where are these witnesses screaming to the media about this coverup? snooper2 Dec 2014 #111

It wasn't a cover-up ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #116

Searchable, tagged Grand Jury testimony marym625 Dec 2014 #112

Thanks! ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #117

You're welcome marym625 Dec 2014 #121

Exactly, 1StrongBlackMan. Feral Child Dec 2014 #152

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #155

Yes, and Feral Child Dec 2014 #164

And just 3 of 22 witnesses supported Wilson's account gmb92 Dec 2014 #154