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hunter

(38,264 posts)
45. Fully socialist. Public health, public education, would be federally funded by income taxes.
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 07:29 PM
Dec 2014

The "defense" budget would be funded by property taxes.

NHS/single payer BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #1
How so? Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #2
Doubtful BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #7
Not necessarily. The ACA included funding to help states set up their own single-payer pnwmom Dec 2014 #47
Yeah, we'll see BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #61
You're right, Vermont is finding out how difficult this will be. pnwmom Dec 2014 #63
More access to resources BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #67
America will never not be under the grip of unfettered capitalism. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #76
NHS and single payer are mutually exclusive Recursion Dec 2014 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #16
I'm aware BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #37
Um, do you seriouy expect any divergent opinion? brooklynite Dec 2014 #3
Well, TBH Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #4
The ACA was the best Obama could get fadedrose Dec 2014 #5
Oh, I know Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #6
I really don't even think it was the best mvd Dec 2014 #10
He wasn't negotiating with the GOP and he knew it. He was negotiating with Lieberman and Baucus Recursion Dec 2014 #15
But the more to the right ACA gave Lieberman/Baucus control also mvd Dec 2014 #20
Nonsense. He deliberately buried the public option. woo me with science Dec 2014 #42
Polled Americans was the wrong group fadedrose Dec 2014 #46
If this is a poll, why would you push for a given option? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #64
Not pushing for, expecting Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #73
Aren't B. and C. pretty much the same? nt elias49 Dec 2014 #8
Not quite Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #9
No, you're missing the huge difference. NHS means doctors work for the government. Recursion Dec 2014 #14
Interesting distinction mvd Dec 2014 #31
Part C is also known as Medicare Advantage meow2u3 Dec 2014 #39
Off topic a bit: I've had Kaiser for many years... C Moon Dec 2014 #11
That isn't Kaiser in particular. It's modern medicine in general. pnwmom Dec 2014 #48
NHS isn't single payer. You can be NHS or you can be single payer. Medicare-for-all is single payer Recursion Dec 2014 #13
Right, now I'm with you Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #17
Oddly enough, the closest thing to Canada's system was proposed by Baucus Recursion Dec 2014 #18
Does that system work well? Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #19
People seem to like it Recursion Dec 2014 #25
We still have private insurers here Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #28
Interestingly, in Canada it's illegal to bill for any covered treatment privately Recursion Dec 2014 #30
Haven't lived there but Canadians seem happy overall mvd Dec 2014 #27
Yeah, Americans go ballistic whenever someone mentions "socialism" Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #32
Where are you getting that $750 figure? pnwmom Dec 2014 #49
That's why the trust fund is shrinking Recursion Dec 2014 #51
It's not a reflection on the Medicare system that the Fed government pnwmom Dec 2014 #55
But I mean that's the actual cost of Medicare per beneficiary Recursion Dec 2014 #58
But Medicare patients aren't paying that personally. n/t pnwmom Dec 2014 #59
No, it's a social insurance program. But if we expand Medicare to everyone Recursion Dec 2014 #60
And if we went to something like NHS, we'd have to figure out how to fund that, too. pnwmom Dec 2014 #62
Ironically, the insanity of our 2010 debate probably saved the UK NHS Recursion Dec 2014 #66
so not the same! ellennelle Dec 2014 #21
And Medicare still uses private insurance companies to do the actual insuring Recursion Dec 2014 #22
In my defence, I'm British Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #24
Few Americans do, it seems Recursion Dec 2014 #26
That seems needlessly complicated Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #29
which? ellennelle Dec 2014 #36
Medicare Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #40
What do you mean by "actual insuring"? pnwmom Dec 2014 #50
Actually paying providers Recursion Dec 2014 #52
The money comes from the Fed govt. But yes, insurance companies pnwmom Dec 2014 #53
I agree; I'm not saying that's a bug Recursion Dec 2014 #57
Taxes don't actually need to go up Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #23
You nailed it at the end. Socal31 Dec 2014 #33
I chose other because I know what the HS system is in Europe, and I'd LOVE to have theirs. napi21 Dec 2014 #34
"Europe" has a lot of health care systems Recursion Dec 2014 #35
I don't know about the other countries you mentioned, but napi21 Dec 2014 #70
Well, first off, I don't agree that insurance companies are "in charge of everything here" Recursion Dec 2014 #71
NO SIR. There was NO CHARGE! He asked about what he owed, and they said nothing. napi21 Dec 2014 #72
Probably comes under E111 scheme Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #75
OK, I'm slow; give me some help rock Dec 2014 #38
The dumb Brit's confusion Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #41
No dumber than me rock Dec 2014 #43
The more I think about it, the more I think Medicare is inadequate as well. alarimer Dec 2014 #44
They're covered under an NHS system Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #74
Fully socialist. Public health, public education, would be federally funded by income taxes. hunter Dec 2014 #45
It took about 20 yrs to get this through Congress and it will take another 20yrs to undue what the CK_John Dec 2014 #54
There is no perfect system. Anywhere. pnwmom Dec 2014 #56
True, there's no perfect system mvd Dec 2014 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #68
3 darts at 10 paces Kennah Dec 2014 #69
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