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83. How do you know that this man never had a traumatic incident with a dog? n/m

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Mall Santa Turns Away Girl with Autism Because of Pit Bull Service Dog [View all] irisblue Dec 2014 OP

oh, my, that dog looks sooooo vicious. niyad Dec 2014 #1

bengal tigers are also beautiful arent they - who doesnt love seeing a cute brown bear scratching belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #6

First of all, pit bulls are domesticated, not wild animals like the others you list... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #9

everyone in the group of people who were attacked were told - dont worry he wont bite belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #13

Were I afraid of dogs, I'd attempt to rationalize it too. LanternWaste Dec 2014 #15

as joeybee wrote, "wild vs. domesticated." Gormy Cuss Dec 2014 #19

Neither are Pit Bulls n/t Aerows Dec 2014 #23

Pit bulls are canis lupus familiaris, AKA domesticated dogs. n/t Gormy Cuss Dec 2014 #36

Same as any other dog. uppityperson Dec 2014 #41

Editorial or objective fact? LanternWaste Dec 2014 #44

Thanks for the laugh Scootaloo Dec 2014 #52

Really? No one has ever been bit by a dog who was known to be dangerous? nt uppityperson Dec 2014 #24

How many people has that dog attacked? baldguy Dec 2014 #69

"This dog would not attack...never" Taitertots Dec 2014 #25

Service dogs for autistic children are very expensive and very specially trained, matched and Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #30

The titanic was an expensive ship Taitertots Dec 2014 #40

Here is the language, which applies to public accommodations- Ms. Toad Dec 2014 #54

I see you ignored the exception for situations that fundamentally alter the nature of the business. Taitertots Dec 2014 #75

What you quoted Ms. Toad Dec 2014 #121

And I see that you ignored that the family said they would take the dog while the child visited notadmblnd Dec 2014 #201

Of course you know this is for all intents and purposes NOT true etherealtruth Dec 2014 #74

It needs to be a PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED service animal... cleanhippie Dec 2014 #101

I am trying to figute out why you are so sure of this .... ? etherealtruth Dec 2014 #136

Wanna bet that that dog was not professionally trained as a service dog? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #94

link? or ANY other evidence this was not a professionally trained service dog Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #247

Thank you for the excellent explanation. The significant sentence in your explanation is... napi21 Dec 2014 #212

I do not see any documented research on properly trained dogs irisblue Dec 2014 #80

Second, the dog is a service dog, and you KNOW this for a fact belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #67

Maybe I believe them when they said it was her service dog... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #71

thanks for bringing the picture over. irisblue Dec 2014 #16

Wanna bet that that dog was not professionally trained as a service dog? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #93

No, I will not "bet" that, liberalhistorian Dec 2014 #149

Your anecdote and emotional attempt to diaparge me are irrelevant. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #164

What makes you think it was not liberalhistorian Dec 2014 #166

No. DeSwiss Dec 2014 #208

Your posts are evidence that you do. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #241

again can you provide ANY evidence this dog was not professinally trained? ANY? Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #248

link? Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #246

"We do not condone the behavior displayed by Santa" Enrique Dec 2014 #2

That's just cruel! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #3

It's been the decade of stupid names snooper2 Dec 2014 #4

That's what happens when expecting parents are drunk, high Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #17

Christ, I hope they put more creativity into coming up with their passwords on the internet. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #122

N/T skamaria Dec 2014 #20

I'd assume that it's a variation on "Abcity". Xithras Dec 2014 #28

It's the first 5 letters of the alphabet sammytko Dec 2014 #31

Second child is probably named Fghij Ms. Toad Dec 2014 #33

Says the guy calling himself Bloodaxe... LanternWaste Dec 2014 #43

I'm not pseudonymous. This is my name. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #48

Holy shit, that really is your name. Codeine Dec 2014 #134

Sort of. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #135

People Can't RobinA Dec 2014 #174

Agreed customerserviceguy Dec 2014 #84

Wow, that is an asshole post. a la izquierda Dec 2014 #129

The anti-Pit Bull bigots are rife with assholery baldguy Dec 2014 #259

Cute kid. Sounds like one jerk did wrong and was booted for it. Glad to hear it. Orrex Dec 2014 #5

yea he's a jerk cause pitbulls never attack unprovoked belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #7

I am no fan of pit bulls, but the ADA is clear. Orrex Dec 2014 #11

I don't like the idea of using pit bulls for yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #60

Haha. Socal31 Dec 2014 #76

" His life was at severe risk. Heck even if he ends up fired, at least he is alive."??? ahhahahahaha uppityperson Dec 2014 #79

It is so unfair that you read me like a book yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #85

About the American Humane Association Hero Dog Awards etherealtruth Dec 2014 #90

+1 liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #109

"His life was at severe risk." WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #95

great pictures. Thank you. Adorable dogs. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #110

I grew up with dogs but as an adult... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #159

Almost been attacked by two pitbulls. Call it what you will, I don't trust them. MillennialDem Dec 2014 #112

Don't care if you don't trust them. If a pit bull is a service animal they are protected by the ADA. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #116

Well, I'll take getting fired rather than fear losing a finger or two. MillennialDem Dec 2014 #120

I've been assaulted by a person with Bipolar Disorder... Odin2005 Dec 2014 #141

A. I don't assume all pitbulls are violent monsters, I just would rather not take my MillennialDem Dec 2014 #155

So, you think you can tell a Pit Bull by the way it looks? baldguy Dec 2014 #175

Again I said pitbull or similar breed. And I'm sorry if it offends you that I won't MillennialDem Dec 2014 #178

You made a claim. Back it up. baldguy Dec 2014 #180

What claim did I make? MillennialDem Dec 2014 #181

"I can tell by outward appearances whether a dog is a pitbull, pitbull mix, or similar breed." baldguy Dec 2014 #182

Ok well what are your rules for "similar breed" - because all if not most of those dogs MillennialDem Dec 2014 #183

There are three accepted breeds of Pit Bull: baldguy Dec 2014 #185

LOL. Ok, I'm a bigot because... why? Because I won't pet your dog? You really should think MillennialDem Dec 2014 #188

You're a bigot because you pass judgement on someone based on the way they look, baldguy Dec 2014 #189

Even if true, there is nothing illegal about that and it's of no legal or moral consequence. MillennialDem Dec 2014 #191

Sorry, but ignoring the requirements of the ADA is a crime. baldguy Dec 2014 #194

And I said earlier (try reading my other posts) that I would face the consequence for violating it MillennialDem Dec 2014 #196

Yes, bigotry is an evil thing. And evil is a cruel & unforgiving master. baldguy Dec 2014 #197

I know right? I'll be remembered for my evil heart like Hitler, Charles Manson, Dick Cheney, Ghengis MillennialDem Dec 2014 #199

Nothing so grandiose. baldguy Dec 2014 #203

MillennialDem, I have two disabled people in my immediate family, one liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #204

Technically a civil infraction, not a criminal act. No one goes to "ADA jail". nt kelly1mm Dec 2014 #253

Awwwww! Odin2005 Dec 2014 #213

I've been attacked by a German Shepherd. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #161

My mom had a German shepherd / collie mix. That dog never once bit anyone but MillennialDem Dec 2014 #168

One of the two pitbulls was owned by good owners who tried everything to get her MillennialDem Dec 2014 #169

you do know that "nanny dog" thing is nothing but a myth DrDan Dec 2014 #125

To be specific... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #165

You're repling to someone who believes the only good Pit Bull is a dead Pit Bull. baldguy Dec 2014 #176

"Apologists" was the tip off... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #187

I love pibbies. I have many friends with pibbies, and the dogs are all sweethearts--except for ONE, tblue37 Dec 2014 #132

Yeah, that would make me nervous, too... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #167

They were NEVER considered "nanny dogs" until a woman trying to get them in the AKC KittyWampus Dec 2014 #184

Thank you for this! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2014 #227

You're welcome! WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #239

Wow, your ignorance is sad. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #140

You appear to have no dea the kind of training service dogs receive etherealtruth Dec 2014 #21

"Ignorance is never an attractive trait" neither is name calling belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #63

Says the one claiming all Pit Bulls are vicious killers. baldguy Dec 2014 #70

Yeah, pit bulls would never harm anyone Art_from_Ark Dec 2014 #111

How many pit bull service animals have bitten people? How many pit bulls that have liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #113

How many pit bull service animals are there as opposed to other breeds? Art_from_Ark Dec 2014 #118

Except that the site you link to is nothing but bullshit baldguy Dec 2014 #127

Excuse me, no one was called a name etherealtruth Dec 2014 #73

Ths is what RW anti-science bullshit gets us. baldguy Dec 2014 #128

That ignorance and prejudice is exactly why the ADA has to be so emphatic about... Odin2005 Dec 2014 #143

That is the ENTIRE point! etherealtruth Dec 2014 #147

As an autistic person, Amen. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #148

well said! liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #150

a service dog for autistic children cost approximately $20,000 because of the rigorous selection Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #22

They are using Labs, Golden Retrievers, and Golden-lab mixes. LisaL Dec 2014 #117

The ADA does not restrict what kind of dog is trained & used as a service dog. baldguy Dec 2014 #131

Google "Service Dog breeds' etherealtruth Dec 2014 #133

based on the OP they offered to take the dog away while the girl was with santa JI7 Dec 2014 #53

yea that's where i'd agree with santa's removal. if that was the case belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #64

At first I thought they were giving her a pseudonym... brendan120678 Dec 2014 #8

If that dog came up to me sarisataka Dec 2014 #10

More people are gored annually by pit bull antlers than by any other breed's antlers. Orrex Dec 2014 #12

^LOL^ irisblue Dec 2014 #18

Another look at the vicious beast: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2014 #32

what a cutie! liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #50

Love the get up Worried senior Dec 2014 #158

They are both adorable, and look at that smile on that cute little girl's face. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #51

Both the girl and the pooch are adorable! Odin2005 Dec 2014 #139

I am so stealing that name. UncleYoder Dec 2014 #14

Smooth move Santa. lpbk2713 Dec 2014 #26

i knew he was a jerk-i mean i never got what i asked for dembotoz Dec 2014 #39

and some DUers are defending him. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #107

that guy never had any business being a santa. xchrom Dec 2014 #27

Problem with service animals TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #29

saw a lady on the bus hauling around 2 cats in a wheeled bin - her "service animals" Liberal_in_LA Dec 2014 #34

You assume every service animal must function Ms. Toad Dec 2014 #35

There is a lack of understanding about service animals which leads to prejudice and discrimination liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #45

There is a lack of understanding, in general, about disabilities Ms. Toad Dec 2014 #47

I completely agree. My husband is legally blind and has a legally blind friend who has liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #49

Oh, that's awful! TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #61

As it happens, people in my area used to foster young dogs to be trained as service animals for the hedgehog Dec 2014 #58

Was this dog a PROFESIONALLY TRAINED Service Dog or a family pet the family designated as one? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #91

That is a tremendous organization etherealtruth Dec 2014 #138

I understand that some animals offer emotional support TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #57

After owning a B&G Macaw for 18 years....... truegrit44 Dec 2014 #98

Not all service animals need to be "dragged around" Ms. Toad Dec 2014 #123

Emotional support’ pig removed from airplane hedgehog Dec 2014 #56

Well, when he defecated and started squealing TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #68

I'll bet a million bucks that dog was not professionally trained as a service dog. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #92

How many times do you need to say this? AndreaCG Dec 2014 #97

As many times as it takes for it to get through. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #99

Did you even READ the buzzfeed post? AndreaCG Dec 2014 #102

Where, in any article, has the family shown that it was a professionally trained service animal? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #144

But you don't know do you, so quit pushing the uninformed prejudice against service animals. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #103

This probably wasn't professionally trained service animal. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #142

I am reposting one of my posts from above etherealtruth Dec 2014 #154

And that's the problem. ANYONE can designate their pet as a "service animal" cleanhippie Dec 2014 #162

you may agree with santa .... but you both would violate the ADA etherealtruth Dec 2014 #171

Yeah, because not allowing people to bring their pets to then mall is putting hurdles in their way. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #242

again, do you have ANY evidence - ANY evidence whatsoever that this was not a properly trained Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #251

I'll bet a million bucks that you don't have the credentials to make that determination. baldguy Dec 2014 #177

Lol cleanhippie Dec 2014 #240

You keep stating this many times in this thread. Do you think it matters for ADA complience kelly1mm Dec 2014 #254

I can understand if the person has a fear of dogs but once the parents offered dilby Dec 2014 #37

I am so sick of this shit! Making it right later does not make it okay!! jillan Dec 2014 #38

I think that without knowing exactly how this dog was trained, it may not be covered under hedgehog Dec 2014 #42

From the looks the dog came from BullNanies which does emotional support dogs not service dogs. dilby Dec 2014 #55

According to Buzzfeed the dog is a Service Dog vs an emotional support dog etherealtruth Dec 2014 #82

They're all "service" dogs, imo. TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #130

I don't understand your point missingthebigdog Dec 2014 #86

Turns out that this isn't the first rodeo that Pup-Cake's been kicked out of - hedgehog Dec 2014 #46

I live near the mall where that happened minivan2 Dec 2014 #59

That Santa probably thinks Autism is caused by bad parenting. Even after the parents offered liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #66

This sounds like a huge misunderstanding. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #62

being afraid does not excuse someone from following the ADA. White people use the liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #65

Way over the top statement. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #72

You are equating black people with dogs ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2014 #81

I'm equating prejudice with prejudice. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #104

Stop the racist broad-brushing. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #89

Bad Santa. nt TeamPooka Dec 2014 #77

Seems like more than one person here pre-judges based on ignorant fear. Socal31 Dec 2014 #78

How do you know that this man never had a traumatic incident with a dog? n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2014 #83

+1. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #105

Santa was wrong for turning them away after they agreed to take the dog away from the area ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2014 #87

Sounds like this guy was just pertrifed of dogs helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #88

Exactly. nt ecstatic Dec 2014 #96

Sounds like the guy knows the difference between a trained service dog and the family pet... cleanhippie Dec 2014 #100

You are going on ignore. Bye bye. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #106

Lol cleanhippie Dec 2014 #145

You are the one without a rational argument. Coventina Dec 2014 #152

The lack of a certified training certificate is the proof. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #163

So in other words, you have nothing. Coventina Dec 2014 #170

Lol. Ok, you tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #243

Wow, if you can laugh at disabled children suffering discrimination Coventina Dec 2014 #257

Just because he disagrees about the dog being a service dog or family pet? Reter Dec 2014 #245

They are different but both serve an important purpose helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #114

There are laws regarding public access for service animals. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #146

One thing you see a lot in the hotel industry is people who come in with dogs helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #115

LMAO!! darkangel218 Dec 2014 #153

I guess now when I can look back at it I can laugh helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #157

I found this but not sure of the facts >> BlueJazz Dec 2014 #108

The ADA does not restrict what kind of dog is trained & used as a service dog. baldguy Dec 2014 #179

about legal rights for poorly trained service dogs irisblue Dec 2014 #119

Bad Santa LostOne4Ever Dec 2014 #124

That Santa's getting a lump of coal. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #126

How sad madokie Dec 2014 #137

I get that the guy may have had trauma in the past RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #151

Under the ADA fear and /or allergies is not an acceptable reason to not give service etherealtruth Dec 2014 #156

I'm aware RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #160

i would have had empathy had he agreed to see the little girl after they (family) offered to remove etherealtruth Dec 2014 #172

Mine didn't. But like I said, it doesn't make any sense. nt RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #173

There's no ethical reason to perpetuate any man-made breed of dog ErikJ Dec 2014 #186

What a moronic statement. baldguy Dec 2014 #190

HA! Even bird hunting dogs? ErikJ Dec 2014 #192

You want to ban a breed of dogs based on - well, really no reason at all. baldguy Dec 2014 #193

Dog breeds are man-made just like car brands. ErikJ Dec 2014 #195

Other than the fact that they're not manufactured objects, baldguy Dec 2014 #198

Very racist to compare dog breeds to races of humans. ErikJ Dec 2014 #200

Oh, right. I'm against mass killing of any kind, so that makes me a racist. baldguy Dec 2014 #202

Comparing dog breeds to humans is racist. ErikJ Dec 2014 #205

Promoting mass killing is evil. baldguy Dec 2014 #209

Nobody is saying mass-killing of pits! ErikJ Dec 2014 #210

If you don't think that breed bans don't result in mass killing of dogs, baldguy Dec 2014 #211

HA! Now youre sounding like a religious dogmatic (no pun intended) pro-lifer. ErikJ Dec 2014 #214

You love dogs so much, you want to see them put to death. How sick & twisted is that? baldguy Dec 2014 #217

Hyperbolic propaganda. Not breeding is NOT mass killing. Pit bulls were MAN-made for evil purpose ErikJ Dec 2014 #219

The evil was man-made. But you care nothing about blaming the people, only blaming their victims. baldguy Dec 2014 #220

Thats like saying I'm blaming the machine guns.. which were outlawed for sale in the US 70 yrs ago. ErikJ Dec 2014 #221

You're trying to cast living, feeling creatures as inert, inanimate objects. baldguy Dec 2014 #224

OK how about to cow or chickens which are living and breathing ErikJ Dec 2014 #231

Now you're compareing animals who are house pets & family membes to food animals. baldguy Dec 2014 #234

I'm deleting this thread. I can't handle the hateful, fear based, prejudice and liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #206

Keep in mind .... etherealtruth Dec 2014 #207

Santa fears pitbulls. Reason? flvegan Dec 2014 #215

Just a bit of googling will tell u why. ErikJ Dec 2014 #222

And you ignore the 1000 other incidents of dog attacks that occurred. baldguy Dec 2014 #226

Other breeds dont ErikJ Dec 2014 #230

You don't appear to understand that ALL dogs are carnivores - that means they eat meat. baldguy Dec 2014 #256

Technically, all dogs are omnivores. But, I'm behind you 100% Coventina Dec 2014 #258

The reactionary hatred for service animals in this thread is sickening. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #216

+1000 baldguy Dec 2014 #218

Pit bull service dog attacks three people in Yakima ErikJ Dec 2014 #223

20 yrs obviously hasen't taught you that any dog can attack. baldguy Dec 2014 #225

There are SO many people here with a bias against these dogs its sickening dorkzilla Dec 2014 #228

What gets me is that they use the same language & reasoning as the bigots who support baldguy Dec 2014 #233

Yep, i've thought that myself dorkzilla Dec 2014 #236

Just keep your fighting killer dogs away from the dog park then. ErikJ Dec 2014 #229

I don't have a killer fighting dog. I have a Pit Bull. baldguy Dec 2014 #232

It is, but as I posted to liberal_at_heart (above) etherealtruth Dec 2014 #235

Not to mention how in this case thucythucy Dec 2014 #238

I suspect apprehension at the sight of the dog had little to do thucythucy Dec 2014 #237

well yes, once the family offered to take the dog away while the little girl visits with Santa - Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #249

I hate to be the one to disagree, but... Reter Dec 2014 #244

Except that's not what "Santa" did. thucythucy Dec 2014 #250

Pup-Cake the Service Dog's Facebook page now has more than 28,000 likes Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #252

Actually Pup-Cake is a certified and trained service dog Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #255