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29. You mean Liberals are not supposed to care about citizens being murdered by police over

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 11:01 AM

Dec 2014

a couple of loose cigarettes? Since when did Liberals stop caring about bigotry and police brutality towards unarmed innocent people?

NY State Taxes are higher than most of the country btw. Here in Upstate NY we don't get much in return.

Raising taxes on cigarettes, turning them into the new 'drug war', is definitely NOT a Liberal Value. But that appears to be purpose, so they can fill those Private Prisons with even more of the poor and minorities.

Where I live a vast majority of the people oppose these efforts to criminalize cigarette smoking. Across the political spectrum.

The Drug 'War' has destroyed literally millions of lives and has done nothing, most likely planned, to end addiction.

Liberals always opposed those laws. For what I would think were obvious reasons.

Civil Liberties were the target of those laws and as we have seen with the murder of Eric Garner, it appears we are on the way to destroying even more lives, and losing even more rights.

And if Libertarians and Republicans agree with Liberals on this, that is GREAT! We need EVERYONE on board to end these crushing, destructive assaults on our Civil Liberties.

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Eric Garner's crime was not against person or property. [View all] meaculpa2011 Dec 2014 OP

Yup. littlewolf Dec 2014 #1

Is this Libertarian Underground now? nt Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #2

No we don't want to throw the poor out into the wild to fend for themselves Kalidurga Dec 2014 #3

But just against taxes? Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #4

No I think it's a thing against Kalidurga Dec 2014 #6

No. It's a message board where we speak out... meaculpa2011 Dec 2014 #18

You mean Liberals are not supposed to care about citizens being murdered by police over sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #29

Raising taxes on tobacco is not a liberal value??? Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #31

No, it is not. It is nothing but a ploy to start yet another 'war' on something. No Liberal I know sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #34

No. His sin was being a black man who refused to cower. morningfog Dec 2014 #5

Disagree brooklynite Dec 2014 #8

His prior record is irrelevant to whether the arrest morningfog Dec 2014 #10

Okay, the selling of untaxed cigarettes is a violation of the law... brooklynite Dec 2014 #13

It's a ticket marym625 Dec 2014 #16

Sure. But you could be subject to arrest morningfog Dec 2014 #17

As is jaywalking, going five over the speed limit and placing loose change in parking meters... LanternWaste Dec 2014 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author marym625 Dec 2014 #7

Cigarette tax in NYC is $5.85 per pack. meaculpa2011 Dec 2014 #11

from what I understand it was one marym625 Dec 2014 #12

Did I not get the point of your post? marym625 Dec 2014 #15

Garner's crime was against regressive taxation meow2u3 Dec 2014 #9

So, tax evasion is now okay, as long as its a tax we don't like... brooklynite Dec 2014 #14

When I see aggressive pursuit of other tax evaders and avoiders, the sort who have lawyers Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #19

If we had a national police force who's job was enforcing all national, state and local laws... brooklynite Dec 2014 #27

I was decrying the double standard of tax evasion meow2u3 Dec 2014 #23

Wondered how libertarians were gonna make this about their pet bullshit alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #20

Loitering and jaywalking don't cost... meaculpa2011 Dec 2014 #21

Loitering and jaywalking don't cost the city money, which is precisely why your argument is bullshit alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #22

"You must learn to govern your passions, doctor. meaculpa2011 Dec 2014 #24

As important, one must also learn to avoid the logical fallacy, Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste Dec 2014 #33

Will the police go after Mitt Romney and Jamie Dimon next? FSogol Dec 2014 #25

No apparently they are just "borrowing." lonestarnot Dec 2014 #26

No. That's the point. n/t meaculpa2011 Dec 2014 #28

Take this LOLbertarian shit over to Freeperland. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #30

+1 n/t FSogol Dec 2014 #37

My husband and I were talking about this last night. Skidmore Dec 2014 #35

"Imposed the death penalty" Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #36

Taxing poor people into permanent... meaculpa2011 Dec 2014 #38