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pampango

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28. Still think your idea has merit, but here is an idea from Juan Cole's site.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 11:28 AM
Dec 2014
Could Years more of Syrian Civil War be Avoided by Comprehensive Talks with Iran?

Because the inner core of the Syrian regime is bound together by ties of sect and kinship, it is unlikely to fragment. And since it and its main constituency come from the minority Alawite community, it truly believes the only choices are to fight to the bitter end or face annihilation. Because the opposition is so fractious, it is unlikely to prevail, although it is improbable that the regime will be able to uproot it entirely from its rural and frontier strongholds.

As of now, a negotiated settlement is only possible if two conditions are met. First, both the regime and the “moderate” opposition – the Free Syrian Army, the Islamic Front, etc.– would have to view the battlefield situation as hopelessly deadlocked, and they would have to do so simultaneously. After all, if there was a chance your side might achieve total victory, why bother to attempt to reach a compromise through negotiations? (Jabhat al-Nusra, the “official” al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria, and the Islamic State would also have to be neutralized to prevent them from acting as spoilers.)

The second condition that has to be fulfilled to reach a negotiated settlement is that outside players – the United States and other Western states, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Russia, Iran, and others – would also have to come to the conclusion, again simultaneously, that there was no chance their clients could score a victory on the battlefield and that, in the big scheme of things, the battle for Syria was just not worth the cost. Otherwise, when your side is down why not try to restore its fortunes by pumping in more supplies, heavier and more lethal weapons, cash, and perhaps fresh recruits?

There is one possibility, albeit farfetched, that might enable a negotiated settlement to prevail. So far, the United States and its allies have been acting as if Syria were a chess game where a win for one side on a two-dimensional board means a loss for the other. Why not start playing three-dimensional chess? In other words, why treat Syria as a separate problem to be solved in isolation? Why not complicate the Syria problem by making it one of a number of issues to be brought to the table at the same time? This would increase the number of possible trade-offs and compromises, allow governments to save face through reciprocal exchanges, and make grand bargains possible.

http://www.juancole.com/2014/12/syrian-avoided-comprehensive.html

The author himself admits that it is not very likely scenario given how many actors have to arrive at the same conclusions more or less simultaneously but I though it an interesting idea.
Practically on the level of genocide. Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #1
Well, it's hard to know what to do. There's so many factors, there's Russia TwilightGardener Dec 2014 #2
What would you do, Rhinodawg? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #3
Sounds good...when does it happen? Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #5
It already happened in Homs. Looks like it could happen in Aleppo. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #10
We can't have it both ways yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #7
Is there any number of dead civilians that would change you mind ? Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #9
In the United States, yes. yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #15
Ok....so a certain number of dead americans you would favor war. Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #23
Well 911 for one and we went after Osama. yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #25
Many considered FDR a 'warmonger' before Pearl Harbor because he cared about dead civilians - even pampango Dec 2014 #17
The question is what the US can do that doesn't result in more dead civilians. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #19
Agreed. "Heating up the civil war doesn't seem to be the answer." A military solution to the protest pampango Dec 2014 #20
That's why I favor starting small, with local truces. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #21
That sounds like a plausible strategy. n/t pampango Dec 2014 #22
Still think your idea has merit, but here is an idea from Juan Cole's site. pampango Dec 2014 #28
Not genocide, unless you're willing to consider auto-genocide. This is a civil war. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #12
A lot of neighboring countries and european countries Quantess Dec 2014 #18
That photo breaks my heart leftynyc Dec 2014 #4
Imagine if Israel killed 1/10000 of that.... Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #6
Nobody here gives a shit leftynyc Dec 2014 #16
In before someone tries to pin this all on Obama... Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #8
Well, now that you mention Obama... Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #11
I agree PBO's Syria policy has been an almost textbook "What Not to Do" Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #14
Most of the refugees are women and children. lpbk2713 Dec 2014 #13
All so one guy can be a dictator. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #24
I might have agreed with you in the past, Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #26
Assad's tyranny caused ISIS. Without him, there aren't the same dynamics at play. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #27
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