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delrem

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28. "If you can't beat them, join them" is a loser's slogan in politics.

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 06:16 PM

Dec 2014

It's a loser's slogan whether or not the person chanting it claims to be "reality based", or whatever other accompaniment designed to oil it down.

Just take a look at the lengths that the masters of such "reality based" on-the-take politicians go to, to ensure that their "reality" is the only game in town:

http://www.thenation.com/article/191529/how-david-brock-built-empire-put-hillary-white-house

"David Brock, the conservative journalistic assassin turned progressive empire-builder...."

COME ON, PEOPLE! WTF is the term 'progressive' *doing* in that sentence? Hint, it has nothing to do with truth.

This is like the Robert Kagan Victoria Nuland neocon PNAC team turned "liberal interventionists" when they discovered the opportunity for personal advancement by joining up with Hillary, and now Kerry. COME ON, PEOPLE, WTF do you think you're *doing*, allowing this to happen in your name? Just what???

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I want to see the Democratic Party make a clear break from the Republican Party. [View all] kentuck Dec 2014 OP

Very good, may I add one? sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #1

Absolutely! kentuck Dec 2014 #2

and stand up for all people noiretextatique Dec 2014 #4

Me too! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #22

Here's A Start... billhicks76 Dec 2014 #52

Hey Bill navarth Dec 2014 #57

I Knew It!!! billhicks76 Dec 2014 #102

Oh, come on! Nobody is more pro-choice and pro-women than Hillary. Heather Kube Dec 2014 #99

Sorry billhicks76 Dec 2014 #103

So do I. I want a Democrat who will reach across the aisle Autumn Dec 2014 #3

+1000 noiretextatique Dec 2014 #5

1000+. I want a dem that will continuously fight delusions with reality on point Dec 2014 #90

Very well stated. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #95

That's the party that would get my money again! grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #6

The unfortunate part is that they no longer need our money. zeemike Dec 2014 #34

One look at the last election and i'd say they need our money and support! grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #43

Democrats would have won if... dfgrbac Dec 2014 #85

Maybe they wouldn't need corporate money if they would fight for the working class. CrispyQ Dec 2014 #86

I could not agree more. zeemike Dec 2014 #89

50 state strategy also fought against repuke framing and lies on point Dec 2014 #91

I agree but I have lived in Iowa and Nebraska. What do we do about states that will not vote for jwirr Dec 2014 #7

I want to see a Democratic Party that believes in its principles... kentuck Dec 2014 #12

At the time I left Iowa they were beginning to work on building a party. Today the area I lived in jwirr Dec 2014 #16

+ a MILLION!!!!!!!! nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #107

I want a Democratic party that creates a Peace Department olddots Dec 2014 #8

I'm not laughing. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #9

I agree 100% with the sentiment. Maedhros Dec 2014 #11

+1 Enthusiast Dec 2014 #21

+1 for a Department of Peace! RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #39

I love everything in this thread librechik Dec 2014 #71

It used to be the War Department. The name change to D of D was a huge lie and a signal that, merrily Dec 2014 #79

Amen Brothers and Sisters! Amen! 2banon Dec 2014 #10

I agree 100%. Besides what you said I want a Democratic Party that stands for single payer, Louisiana1976 Dec 2014 #13

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #20

I want a Democratic Party that requires little or no nose-holding to vote for. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #14

if I could, Phlem Dec 2014 #15

AMEN here! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #19

Amen friend MissDeeds Dec 2014 #26

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennn !!!!!!!!!!!!!! wn/t ReRe Dec 2014 #61

If I may - maybe not one of the burning issues rurallib Dec 2014 #17

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #18

Good post. Not unreasonable requests. A few years ago, these were centrist ideas. nt wiggs Dec 2014 #23

I am with you for sure......... BlueJac Dec 2014 #24

I agree +1000 MaggieD Dec 2014 #25

+10000 MissDeeds Dec 2014 #27

"If you can't beat them, join them" is a loser's slogan in politics. delrem Dec 2014 #28

"If you can't join 'em, beat 'em." <- I have always liked that one much better. jtuck004 Dec 2014 #30

Don't hold your breath. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #29

Don't hold your breathe.....they knew they would lose the senate and didn't even TRY TheNutcracker Dec 2014 #31

So who are these people? Andy823 Dec 2014 #32

And I will not support any candidate that doesn't proselytize these bullet points. obxhead Dec 2014 #33

+ another 1,000 Scuba Dec 2014 #35

The money is too damn good and INdemo Dec 2014 #36

Easy, nobody else want it or will take it. It's a no win job. CK_John Dec 2014 #47

Very good AlbertCat Dec 2014 #37

Looks like you picked the wrong day to post this fantasy Doctor_J Dec 2014 #38

yes, please. and now. Myrina Dec 2014 #40

Amen, yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2014 #41

The Preamble of the Constitution lays out a pretty good case for needing government. tclambert Dec 2014 #42

YES.....thank you Jake2413 Dec 2014 #44

Sounds like you are looking for The Green Party. peoli Dec 2014 #45

Bravo - my thought exactly! n/t Buenaventura Dec 2014 #60

We have to get rid of nearly all of the current ones FiveGoodMen Dec 2014 #46

So that rules out a Hillary Presidency completely... truebrit71 Dec 2014 #48

Yes, our 2016 nominee already promised to be more cordial to the Repukes than the president is Doctor_J Dec 2014 #83

Especially since the "middle class" the Dems talk about know what IBM traded for this morning. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #49

But the Dems bailed in the election campaign Shoonra Dec 2014 #50

That party would do very well. /nt Marr Dec 2014 #51

We need a Mortals Party. We already have an Immortals Party. That's the Corporate Party that valerief Dec 2014 #53

My ideal presidential candidate OldRedneck Dec 2014 #54

That's an agenda (and a candidate) I could support wholeheartedly! on point Dec 2014 #106

No, no, don't stop drinking!! That was great. RiverLover Dec 2014 #108

Hell yes. That's the stuff. JEB Dec 2014 #55

What a scary, radical idea nikto Dec 2014 #56

kicking because I agree. nt navarth Dec 2014 #58

k&r. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #59

Can I borrow this? ReRe Dec 2014 #62

Got two new ones here. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #63

+1000!!! nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #64

K & R ctsnowman Dec 2014 #65

Good luck with that. 99Forever Dec 2014 #66

+1 merrily Dec 2014 #82

True. polichick Dec 2014 #92

K&R raouldukelives Dec 2014 #67

K&R nt myrna minx Dec 2014 #68

Let me give you an "amen." Vinca Dec 2014 #69

Good luck with that. Hotler Dec 2014 #70

How lovely it would be d_b Dec 2014 #72

I want to see democratic candidates to stop distancing themselves from the party B Calm Dec 2014 #73

I'd love to see that. Xyzse Dec 2014 #74

I want to see a Democratic Contract with America!!!! randr Dec 2014 #75

That's an interesting idea! kentuck Dec 2014 #77

Been waiting years for one Democrat to stand up to the ridiculous Republican contract randr Dec 2014 #81

What you really want is a break from Big Money. Orsino Dec 2014 #76

+1. Great OP kentuck. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #78

Absolutely! lonestarnot Dec 2014 #80

So would most Democrats who are awake to the change in the Party. merrily Dec 2014 #84

Media jalan48 Dec 2014 #87

I want to see the Democratic Party make a clear break from the Republican Party. The CCC Dec 2014 #88

Of course PATCO had endorsed Reagan over Carter, one of only 4 AFL-CIO unions to do so. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #100

One thing I know for sure�. usafvet65 Dec 2014 #93

I want to see an electorate that understands Progressive dog Dec 2014 #94

The problem is that the electorate understands the opposite. When our Democratic President rhett o rick Dec 2014 #96

If you disagree with both sides, Progressive dog Dec 2014 #97

I am not sure who disagrees with both sides. You were disparaging the electorate for rhett o rick Dec 2014 #104

No I wasn't disparaging the electorate, Progressive dog Dec 2014 #105

So let's go back to what you said, "I want to see an electorate that understands that there is a rhett o rick Dec 2014 #109

You imagine that 99% of the electorate subscribes to Progressive dog Dec 2014 #111

It was you that wanted to educate the electorate on the difference between Democrats and rhett o rick Dec 2014 #112

I never said educate, don't continue to put entire philosophies in my mouth. Progressive dog Dec 2014 #113

You argue in circles and then go after me. "Your straw men don't rise above the level of grass rhett o rick Dec 2014 #114

Well good for you, Progressive dog Dec 2014 #115

Then I imagine that the LAST thing you want ... staggerleem Dec 2014 #98

If we don't change our thinking... kentuck Dec 2014 #101

a clean break w/ WALL STREET + goldman SUX. pansypoo53219 Dec 2014 #110