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earthside

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131. Time to get real.

Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:04 PM

Dec 2014

One of the reasons we don't have an honest, upfront discussion of race in this country is because too many are simply afraid to tell it like it is.

Yes, there are racist, bigoted people out there that use that word.

We're not going to be able to confront the hate and malice in our culture if we insist on 'sensitivity' and timidity and censorship. Maybe we need to offend the gentle sensibilities of some liberals and progressives who get upset over what the bigots are really saying and believing in out in real America.

It is ugly and there is no way to pretty it up.

Frankly, I suspect that we are going to be hearing a lot more of this as the Tea Party reactionaries get so riled-up that they cannot help but spew their venom. The barely disguised racism of the Obama birth certificate tactic simply will not suffice for these low-lifes -- they are going to want to go full-out.

And we better be ready to deal with that and talk about it forthrightly and boldly.

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"I hate niggers. That is all." [View all] PsychGrad Dec 2014 OP

I wonder how many African American people they've harassed. newfie11 Dec 2014 #1

or worse Derek V Dec 2014 #3

I wonder how many convictions can potentially be overturned as a consequence of that MADem Dec 2014 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author marym625 Dec 2014 #186

WTF? You need to check yourself, Ma'am. MADem Dec 2014 #188

exactly what you said to me marym625 Dec 2014 #193

The black people in my family PsychGrad Dec 2014 #205

I agree marym625 Dec 2014 #209

It just isn't necessary to use the N word- even in excoriating its use. cali Dec 2014 #2

I quoted. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #4

people would recognize precisely what he said if you used this: N***** cali Dec 2014 #5

I told you why PsychGrad Dec 2014 #7

You need to stop using that word. brush Dec 2014 #111

+1 nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #116

So someone should be assaulted for using a word?? phil89 Dec 2014 #118

Somebody used that word towards my wife at work once. stone space Dec 2014 #120

Are you new to this country or something? brush Dec 2014 #176

I'm well aware.... PsychGrad Dec 2014 #182

I am not black... PsychGrad Dec 2014 #156

How the hell would I know you were a woman? brush Dec 2014 #172

I didn't use the word. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #180

You posted it brush Dec 2014 #183

I'm not new. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #184

I don't get it brush Dec 2014 #203

Well - I am not new. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #211

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your alert stone space Dec 2014 #119

I think the jury got that one right. Quackers Dec 2014 #162

It seemed a good idea to give DU another chance. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #190

While I understand you're upset about the jury decision on the OP Quackers Dec 2014 #206

A post doubling down on the original offense. stone space Dec 2014 #212

I don't use it and I'm black... MrScorpio Dec 2014 #147

louie CK addressed this in "Chewed Up" Orrex Dec 2014 #12

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #19

Excellent point. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #196

It's a word, not a magical spell. Frank Cannon Dec 2014 #20

Really? You've not heard of "Them's fightin' words"? Denying the power of words is ridiculous. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #25

They have only the power we assign to them. Frank Cannon Dec 2014 #28

Thank You RobinA Dec 2014 #50

Their power comes from historical context gollygee Dec 2014 #57

totally agree nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #64

I agree...Every word can't be defused by repetition -- Some can, most can't, IMO. n/t whathehell Dec 2014 #80

And the people who get to decide whether that's a reasonable take on the word gollygee Dec 2014 #82

Psych Grad is white. stone space Dec 2014 #108

And it's a quote... PsychGrad Dec 2014 #158

I'll take a wild guess and say it's mostly white folk think this word should be repeated LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #99

I don't know of any data that suggests it's a belief of any particular race.. whathehell Dec 2014 #154

says the white man? nt seabeyond Dec 2014 #87

Yeah, I'm a white guy. So what? Frank Cannon Dec 2014 #91

So what? You are for blacks not to be offended proceeds black having historically offensive words seabeyond Dec 2014 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author KansDem Dec 2014 #93

It's disrespectful gollygee Dec 2014 #37

Not -er but -a notadmblnd Dec 2014 #109

This. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #157

Should "To Kill a Mockingbird" print the word as "n*****"? (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #47

no. and the reasons are in your face obvious. cali Dec 2014 #75

People would realize precisely what Harper Lee meant if they printed this: N***** Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #81

you don't seem to grasp the difference between a post on DU and a work of literature cali Dec 2014 #86

Why soften that word's impact in some places but not in others? Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #89

He's a passive aggressive disruptor... tenderfoot Dec 2014 #90

see Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #110

You're comparing a subject line on DU gollygee Dec 2014 #78

Come on grow up...we're all big boys and girls on here titaniumsalute Dec 2014 #70

Exactly. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #159

I just can't believe nichomachus Dec 2014 #177

You thuse it regularly...? Or is it possible that you require specific qualifiers prior to using it? LanternWaste Dec 2014 #198

At one time I would have agreed with you, but... Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #195

I believe DU'ers are educated and well-aware. Your reasoning is specious. Why not edit? WinkyDink Dec 2014 #24

Because it's a quote. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #170

It's very personal for a lot of folks. stone space Dec 2014 #69

Because PsychGrad Dec 2014 #163

Because DU has aparently decided that... stone space Dec 2014 #189

Um.... PsychGrad Dec 2014 #192

I said it once, in reply to somebody who suggested that you might be Black. stone space Dec 2014 #199

We know the word is ugly. Now you are too for using it. TeamPooka Dec 2014 #164

I'm not new... lol PsychGrad Dec 2014 #167

You're becoming irrational. Quick... blame someone to rationalize it! LanternWaste Dec 2014 #200

what? lol PsychGrad Dec 2014 #202

I would usually agree but right now (and hopefully an extremely limited future) Live and Learn Dec 2014 #9

Exactly. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #18

Exactly....thank you! Eloquently put... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #151

I agree. nt cwydro Dec 2014 #21

I agree. delrem Dec 2014 #23

I concur. bemildred Dec 2014 #32

+1 demmiblue Dec 2014 #72

totally agree nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #73

I don't like it either, but historically DU has said its ok if quoting others. I think if we are stevenleser Dec 2014 #85

Neat, more than a third of replies to the thread are here. joshcryer Dec 2014 #201

Read the cop forums and blogs. They are equally as frightening. nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #6

where are they? PsychGrad Dec 2014 #8

There are many but here is one that has recently made the news for being vile: Live and Learn Dec 2014 #10

You might want to edit that title n/t malaise Dec 2014 #11

That is what the guy said.....that would be like taking it out of Tom Sawyer... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #13

Comparing this OP cwydro Dec 2014 #22

Not comparing the OP to Twain...don't be ridiculous... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #148

True. It's nothing more than rationalizing its use. Not surprising at all. LanternWaste Dec 2014 #204

Being shocking is rude, people don't want to be shocked by random posters on the internet. nt bemildred Dec 2014 #31

huh????? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #145

Being incoherent doesn't help either. nt bemildred Dec 2014 #161

uh no. not close. not in the same ball park. NOTHING like it. duh. cali Dec 2014 #76

He is NOT the one saying it.....its a quote.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #143

The moniker ''PsychGrad '' is the giveaway. :-/ n/t DeSwiss Dec 2014 #15

Wink malaise Dec 2014 #16

Meaning? PsychGrad Dec 2014 #17

! DeSwiss Dec 2014 #34

+1. nt bemildred Dec 2014 #35

+ 2 cwydro Dec 2014 #36

No idea... PsychGrad Dec 2014 #169

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #178

Really? PsychGrad Dec 2014 #181

Guess what? ReRe Dec 2014 #14

How the hell did they get on the force? sakabatou Dec 2014 #26

Please edit your title. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2014 #27

Time to get real. earthside Dec 2014 #131

And in here stone space Dec 2014 #136

the one thing we have....SHAME THEM....thats why you don't sugar coat it.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #153

Yes. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #166

Well, fine then. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2014 #185

John Crawford III's last trip to Walmart was about 5 miles outside Montgomery Co. CincyDem Dec 2014 #29

"So, is that your primary job skill?" nt bemildred Dec 2014 #30

Edit your title please, it's offensive to most DU'ers nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #33

Yes it is. We don't have to hear it to know it. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #43

agreed nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #45

Don't edit it...we should be shocked that cops used that word adigal Dec 2014 #38

There's a good reason to edit it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #44

That's a really LAME reason!!! hexola Dec 2014 #59

Ah, so screw poor people, DU is only for people who can afford home internet? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #74

That is an even lamer reason. hexola Dec 2014 #79

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #83

It would certainly be no more effective getting by content blockers. hexola Dec 2014 #84

I guess that you found out below that... stone space Dec 2014 #104

It's the PC Police. When people are turned off by all the B Calm Dec 2014 #61

It seems that this type of racism is endemic in police departments. blackspade Dec 2014 #39

It is a little scary how openly racist many people are online Marrah_G Dec 2014 #40

And I can't believe you had to title this thread as you did. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #41

I do wonder mythology Dec 2014 #42

3-4 to keep?? Seriously?? stone space Dec 2014 #46

what the crispy fuck is wrong with some people. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #48

There is an ongoing problem here at DU reguarding... stone space Dec 2014 #52

That's exactly the edit I was just about to suggest. The_Commonist Dec 2014 #49

it IS in quotes. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author Inkfreak Dec 2014 #51

Censoring preserves the word's power... hexola Dec 2014 #53

Lenny Bruce hexola Dec 2014 #56

HATE is the word to be concerned about. (nt) hexola Dec 2014 #54

Yay, Cops! Iggo Dec 2014 #55

Do NOT edit your title. Iggo Dec 2014 #58

+1. . . . n/t annabanana Dec 2014 #60

If you can get over your own preciousness snpsmom Dec 2014 #62

Because I quoted a racist? PsychGrad Dec 2014 #171

Because you made it your title snpsmom Dec 2014 #191

It was the title of the link that showed up in my feed on another site. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #194

"But making this your title is an assault. It cannot be avoided." bobclark86 Dec 2014 #197

I hate YarnAddict Dec 2014 #63

Please edit your title - the word HATE is offensive to some. hexola Dec 2014 #65

+1 B Calm Dec 2014 #66

Very dismissive gollygee Dec 2014 #67

HATE is the relevant word...If the cop said "I hate Black People" hexola Dec 2014 #71

The people who get to choose how to use words that have been used to dehumanized them gollygee Dec 2014 #77

So - PsychGrad Dec 2014 #173

Vomit, Trash, Ignore, Logout, YouWin. antiquie Dec 2014 #68

all the cops that dehumanize black folk - that is what they think. just not all of them say it. nt ellenrr Dec 2014 #88

Would everyone who insists the word should be used in the title and is black CBGLuthier Dec 2014 #92

Would everyone who insists the word be censored in the title and is black hexola Dec 2014 #94

You really should take it down a notch or two tkmorris Dec 2014 #98

You're replying to the wrong person... hexola Dec 2014 #101

agreed nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #96

* Hand raised * Glassunion Dec 2014 #113

Suspended? That's it? lonestarnot Dec 2014 #95

I notice the Ohio Deputies are getting off scott free in this thread tkmorris Dec 2014 #97

It is. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #174

Did you "get" what you wanted by posting this? CountAllVotes Dec 2014 #102

He is not the first DUer to use the n-word in full in a post. Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #107

John Lennon wrote that song CountAllVotes Dec 2014 #112

I got a jury hide for using this term -- IN CONTEXT -- in the body of a post. Atman Dec 2014 #103

Skinner himself has been known to use the actual "n" word in his posts. Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #105

It is a direct quote... PsychGrad Dec 2014 #175

well I hate psych grads olddots Dec 2014 #106

People in this post seem to be more outraged over your thread title... Odin2005 Dec 2014 #114

Yep, people can be really dumb. nt greyl Dec 2014 #155

Folks...dont give this word power it doesnt deserve. Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #115

It has already been given the power. William769 Dec 2014 #117

That is just plain ugly! sheshe2 Dec 2014 #123

Im sure the officers involved appreciate your efforts to have their words censored. hexola Dec 2014 #129

It's going to push some of us away from DU. stone space Dec 2014 #130

For some of us, this is a re-hash and has been discussed many times... hexola Dec 2014 #133

just too sad... LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #124

+1000 (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #128

People are so offended by the word, they forgot to get mad at the cops. Weird. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #121

As usual Grumpy... YOU NAILED IT !! Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #122

Really? Arent there major protesets happening nationwide... hexola Dec 2014 #126

I mean many of the posters on this thread. n/t Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #139

Nationwide protests going on, I think we got that covered. William769 Dec 2014 #127

"At least I know where you are coming from now. But then again I have known all along." Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #140

That is pretty weird. I almost forgot what the topic was. Quayblue Dec 2014 #150

You then believe no one is angry and frustrated with the cops? Cool blinders you wear... LanternWaste Dec 2014 #208

Basically. joshcryer Dec 2014 #210

Do you all freak out when you hear the word used in comedy? hexola Dec 2014 #125

Guess what? Fuck tha Police!!!!! bravenak Dec 2014 #132

Please delete and repost at Discussionist, where it will be better appreciated. stone space Dec 2014 #134

You know who should feel the most shame is the COPS that used the word Kalidurga Dec 2014 #135

THAT goes without saying... hexola Dec 2014 #137

I have no idea Kalidurga Dec 2014 #138

Thank you. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #179

for the record, all those cops should be fired, a no brainer to me nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #141

Not surprised in the least... Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #144

Free speech is a first amendment right polynomial Dec 2014 #146

If we submit to censorship, we can never say FUCK the POLICE! (nt) hexola Dec 2014 #152

Sadly, quite a number of the few remaining racists out there are still pretty open about it..... AverageJoe90 Dec 2014 #149

unfortunately Howler Dec 2014 #160

this guy is Howler Dec 2014 #165

After the trolls seeing on twitter that go after me marym625 Dec 2014 #187

I don't fault you at all Blue_In_AK Dec 2014 #207

Locking. William769 Dec 2014 #213