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Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:31 PM

Dec 2014

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He is a Canadian from oil country and a Harper supporter, it is to be expected
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Doesn't pretend to be anything other than an unprovoked and very personal attack on Sid Dithers

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Heads Up!! "Obama Ready to Defy Base in Order to Advance Trans-Pacific Partnership" [View all] 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 OP

According to commondreams... SidDithers Dec 2014 #1

"Those who oppose these trade deals ironically are accepting a status quo ... 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #9

So do you favor the TPP or oppose? Or do you limit your intellectual responses rhett o rick Dec 2014 #25

That's the whole show for that one. 99Forever Dec 2014 #52

It's a meme or a macro Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #82

He doesn't talk about issues, only other DUers. n/t QC Dec 2014 #113

Give credit where it is due, he watches out for our reading material so we don't read sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #131

True. It is important to be protected from heresy and false doctrine. QC Dec 2014 #133

Lol! sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #135

never talks about Canada, either, that I have seen. nt grasswire Dec 2014 #194

Maybe he is satisfied with Stephen Harper's leadership QC Dec 2014 #207

According to CNBC.... neverforget Dec 2014 #30

Actually, According to Obama.. here are the minutes from the meeting.. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #44

"level playing field." Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #87

Yes. make American workers more like those in Bangladesh Doctor_J Dec 2014 #115

Can't get the right pic Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #158

K thanks Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #159

Lol, not much doubt about it, we are being sold out again. 'Good for American businesses, good for sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #132

Tpical DLCer. Laughing at people rather than rebutting them. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #53

You got it. Blind following with no thoughts of their own. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #62

Siding with multinationals over people. tblue Dec 2014 #65

... SidDithers Dec 2014 #69

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #70

It's not just looks. n/t 99Forever Dec 2014 #99

... SidDithers Dec 2014 #100

So what's wrong with Liberal Publications, you didn't say, you just posted that roly poly laughing sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #147

He is a Canadian from oil country and a Harper supporter, it is to be expected Dragonfli Dec 2014 #164

...and is into mega duct tape stocks. L0oniX Dec 2014 #166

I think you're probably right. But what puzzled a whole lot of people here is what is to be gained sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #174

He is not trying to gain anything, he simply enjoys baiting liberals like any other run of the mill Dragonfli Dec 2014 #175

Well, that's the Liberal in me, I do like to give people some credit, sometimes it's true, way more sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #176

-- G_j Dec 2014 #178

But no comment to the response that showed Obama himself SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #160

I am bookmarking this for when we start to have the economic fallout. :) Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #98

That's all he ever has. nt City Lights Dec 2014 #222

Commondreams is a longtime reputable LIBERAL publication. What is your problem sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #130

It is not conservative enough for the Third Way bunch on DU. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #145

Wash. Post: "Obama says he willing to defy Democrats on his support of Trans-Pacific Partnership" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #140

In defense of Sid, that's really a dishonest headline, and well worthy of ridicule. ucrdem Dec 2014 #221

"151 House Democrats Say 'No' to Fast Track Authority" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #223

+ 1000 nt riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #244

He said "I�m going to have to make that argument,� not "I'm willing to defy." ucrdem Dec 2014 #230

"Why carry water for wingers?" It's Obama trying to change the votes of the majority of Democrats muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #231

No one has voted on it and persuasion is not defiance. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #232

You post this every time with Common Dreams RiverLover Dec 2014 #155

I guess Reuters is feeding the zombies, too, eh? markpkessinger Dec 2014 #161

A U.S. based progressive news website Generic Other Dec 2014 #172

it's another multi-dimensional chess move, no worries noiretextatique Dec 2014 #2

Well who do you think is going to be paying him for his $200,000 appearance helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #3

.... 840high Dec 2014 #26

And son't forget the corporate board appointments. QC Dec 2014 #112

It sure makes me glad we elected a democrat for President. Autumn Dec 2014 #4

It would be so much worse under a Republican president. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #146

Yep most progressive president ..... ever Autumn Dec 2014 #149

Yes he is doing the best he can... OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #165

Yep, there it is. Autumn Dec 2014 #170

HE DOESN'T HAVE A MAGIC WAND!!1!!11 QC Dec 2014 #184

If you want this done give him a Congress willing to work with him! Autumn Dec 2014 #208

You never really loved him!!! QC Dec 2014 #209

Keep it up QC and I'm gonna look for a list, not just any list but THE LIST. Autumn Dec 2014 #210

lol his base, not the democratic party base nt msongs Dec 2014 #5

Goddamn it, Mr. President! How do we stop you from doing this? CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2014 #6

"Don't you understand that what you're doing is WRONG?" fredamae Dec 2014 #127

Well, you know I trust your judgment, Peggy ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #180

Hard to put out the details of a secret deal . . . OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #181

So what are the details ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #182

One can opine on what the USTR has said publicly. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #183

Thanks, but no thanks. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #186

No, the "secrecy" OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #187

I asked a very simple question. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #196

Again, we can be specific about what it will do. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #198

Funny you admit that you know the talks are secret. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #192

I am not demanding anything. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #197

No one's "hair is on fire" OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #199

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #7

Wow,this ties in with the Wellstone ruled Dec 2014 #8

Ouch, I saw it coming, but sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #10

He needs to ram this monstrosity through before Hillary starts campaigning. djean111 Dec 2014 #57

Krugman thinks it's not a big deal since tariffs are already very low and we have FTA's with many pampango Dec 2014 #11

That is not the issue, sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #13

There will be a "free and open discussion", you will "hear the debate" and the vote pampango Dec 2014 #94

Your posts read like USTR propaganda. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #173

So the authority of a president to 'secretly' negotiate trade agreements started under FDR then pampango Dec 2014 #201

No, try reading before answering. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #214

This piece of crap "trade deal" was drafted in secret by Mega-Corp CEOs & Lobbyists 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #16

Krugman has always favored "free trade" hfojvt Dec 2014 #23

Pretending east coast globalists like Krugman are on our side is part of the problem...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #84

If your Democratic "tent" does not have room for Paul Krugman, it is a small tent indeed. pampango Dec 2014 #101

Bad trade deals Demsrule86 Dec 2014 #261

He was "Meh" on it in a 2013 blog post, and has come to like it less Recursion Dec 2014 #68

Considering it's being done in secret Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #85

"No big deal", "hugely overblown", "hype from both sides" and "far from clear it is worth supporting pampango Dec 2014 #95

That really does help put "no big deal" in perspective 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #123

There is more to it than the trade, the ability for corporations to sue us for wanting clean air or Dragonfli Dec 2014 #21

Not surprisingly, Krugman seems to understand that. pampango Dec 2014 #203

Krugman is only talking about tariffs and ignores OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #168

Quite the opposite: old-fashioned trade deals are a victim of their own success, few tariffs left... pampango Dec 2014 #205

Sadly, he isn't a lawyer. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #213

True. He is a liberal, Nobel-prize-winning economist, but he is not a lawyer. pampango Dec 2014 #233

Wow. Exactly. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #241

Excellent post. Thanks for the links. Very informative, though the info is disturbing. RiverLover Dec 2014 #243

If Krugman is not liberal enough for you, I suppose there's a bus with his name on it. pampango Dec 2014 #249

Europe can't do it. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #250

Who gives a flying fuck about tarriffs? Only 5 of 29 sections deal with that eridani Dec 2014 #224

I think a lot of DU'ers care about tariffs. "Obama ... isn�t secretly bargaining away democracy." pampango Dec 2014 #229

Corporate interests would get somewhat more ability to seek legal recourse against government action eridani Dec 2014 #238

Fascism comes to America. The dismantling of democracy for corporate power. woo me with science Dec 2014 #12

This cannot be overstated. Maedhros Dec 2014 #33

+10 yup. ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #126

Orrin Hatch is depending on you, Mr. President Enrique Dec 2014 #14

Praise from Orrin Hatch! He can put that in his scrap book! To all of you who still wonder why the Doctor_J Dec 2014 #15

That's why we need them now more than ever, in local races and the 2016 primaries. arcane1 Dec 2014 #63

That's changerific! progressoid Dec 2014 #17

Not to mention Audacious! Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #19

Hopetastic!!! n/t QC Dec 2014 #22

Sadly, the question becomes: What's in it for HIM? WinkyDink Dec 2014 #18

A most lucrative, comfortable life. 840high Dec 2014 #27

Occam's Razor. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #91

I don't understand exactly what it is he has against working people Dragonfli Dec 2014 #20

So he visits the Business Roundtable and complains about unions and liberals? pa28 Dec 2014 #24

What good will that do? He 840high Dec 2014 #29

Obama is a Republican to pretended to be a Dem to be elected. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #54

Don't fool yourself, this is who the Democrats are now. PeteSelman Dec 2014 #86

If Democrats ...any Democrats...pass this disaster which Demsrule86 Dec 2014 #260

None of the Pres Obama super supporters will debate this issue. They apparently just "go along". rhett o rick Dec 2014 #28

The first poster mocked the source neverforget Dec 2014 #31

We should wait until it's been enacted and the final effects seen before judging it IDemo Dec 2014 #32

Yep, and then it becomes... TDale313 Dec 2014 #59

It's because they just don't care. Maedhros Dec 2014 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #88

Remember the Hawaii vacation pictures? Jamastiene Dec 2014 #148

"We must trust him, he knows so much more than we know" Autumn Dec 2014 #50

Trust and obey... QC Dec 2014 #67

Are you of the body? L0oniX Dec 2014 #167

One of my favorites Autumn Dec 2014 #169

Not "shortly" but here you go. That damned "uninformed", "yeah-for-our-team" liberal base. pampango Dec 2014 #202

Well predicted. woo me with science Dec 2014 #236

Well, OK, I'll bite. After NAFTA passed middle class incomes increased for the only time in 40 yrs Recursion Dec 2014 #71

NAFTA, CAFTA and the WTO have been disasters or haven't you been paying attention. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #76

No. They've been pretty good. Median wages went up and unemployment decreased Recursion Dec 2014 #78

baloney. there's plenty to disprove that claim. cali Dec 2014 #92

Nice post. Here are 3 charts showing the rebound in wages and household incomes in the mid-1990's. pampango Dec 2014 #119

I find folks who post things from right wing authors hard to reach. markme88 Dec 2014 #141

Your graph shows that manufacturing employment grew during Clinton's administration (and after NAFTA pampango Dec 2014 #143

The Cleveland Fed vs you and your Tea Party source markme88 Dec 2014 #162

"The damage from the 90s outsourcing policies was well underway." pampango Dec 2014 #163

The Cleveland Fed was your source. markme88 Dec 2014 #211

It's hard to take you seriously on trade issues, markme88 Dec 2014 #108

Data points don't have "credentials" Recursion Dec 2014 #125

I do not find you creditable because you post things from Tea Party speakers markme88 Dec 2014 #129

I'm gonna guess you didn't work in manufacturing. Those of us who did know better. Autumn Dec 2014 #109

Which of my claims is false? (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #124

That is incorrect. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #185

I'll probably be crucified for saying this, but.. Albertoo Dec 2014 #34

Trade deals CAN be good for everyone. Maedhros Dec 2014 #36

Ok. but why so opaque? If it's really good for everybody why not let the press in? librechik Dec 2014 #38

Addressing part of your statement... F4lconF16 Dec 2014 #47

to f4lconF16 Albertoo Dec 2014 #77

'efficiency' most often translates as Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #177

'efficiency' could also translate as 'worldwide social justice' Albertoo Dec 2014 #179

No, but the solution is the reverse of 'efficiency'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #200

Welcome to DU - looks like this is the start of the attempt to get liberals and djean111 Dec 2014 #58

the start of the attempt to get liberals and Progressives on board? Albertoo Dec 2014 #81

The content of your posts is consistent with that interpretation. [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2014 #154

So it's either "free" trade or no trade at all? Why the false dichotomy? arcane1 Dec 2014 #66

see my answer to f4lcon Albertoo Dec 2014 #83

The question is not about "modulating tariffs" OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #191

Under the bus with you. GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #128

Too many unstated assumptions. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #188

On 'assumptions' Albertoo Dec 2014 #215

Great way to avoid answering my questions. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #216

Easy does it Albertoo Dec 2014 #217

No, "standard" theory (e.g., David Ricardo) was only about tariffs OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #219

I felt I already answered, but I will attempt to reformulate more clearly Albertoo Dec 2014 #220

The Industrial Revolution didn't create the middle class. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #226

Ugh. I guess we share data and objectives, but differ on interpretation Albertoo Dec 2014 #228

No, i share no objectives with you. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #242

Sorry, but your facts are just plain wrong Albertoo Dec 2014 #245

Socially neutral? OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #247

You win by wearing me out Albertoo Dec 2014 #248

I won because I gave you OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #251

you live in a la-la land where you make your own data Albertoo Dec 2014 #253

I offered data about every country in question. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #259

This is NOT a trade deal: Faryn Balyncd Dec 2014 #218

It isn't a fucking trade deal! Only 5 of 29 articles have anything to do with trade eridani Dec 2014 #225

Of course he did. Policies don't change from president to president--that's not who we are librechik Dec 2014 #37

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #39

You are most welcome WillyT. nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #41

Secret meetings of corporate powers since Bush 2005 at least. appalachiablue Dec 2014 #40

This is not the "change" I had "hoped" for.... truebrit71 Dec 2014 #42

I think it is time for labor unions to cut ties to the Democratic Party. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #43

Unions should back the Socialist Alternative party. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #56

As Krugman said, its not a big deal. bhikkhu Dec 2014 #45

where is the transparency Obama promised? He promised to be a transparent president. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #48

Transparency would be better, of course bhikkhu Dec 2014 #60

That patent enforcement could apply to medicine too. arcane1 Dec 2014 #72

It's not a plot. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #189

Does Hillary endorse this too? 4dsc Dec 2014 #46

Hillary helped to WRITE it, and endorses it. n/t djean111 Dec 2014 #55

I'm shocked! Shocked I say! 99Forever Dec 2014 #49

The Democratic Party is commiting suicide. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #51

It's almost as if they WANTED repubs to gain Senate seats, in order to provide cover for this. arcane1 Dec 2014 #61

No. Not in a million years 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #90

President Obama's base isn't liberal. President Obama is a Conservative. He pretended to be liberal rhett o rick Dec 2014 #64

Thanks monkey Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #73

K & R & AzDar Dec 2014 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author Faryn Balyncd Dec 2014 #75

The TPP may be the WORST, rottenest piece of corruption ever schemed up. Faryn Balyncd Dec 2014 #79

+100000 It is antidemocratic. It is fascistic. woo me with science Dec 2014 #111

Defying his base? He's doing his base's will. PeteSelman Dec 2014 #80

I thought we were going to repeal NAFTA. JEB Dec 2014 #89

Remember when Obama secretly reassured Canada that his opposition to NAFTA was just a campaign ploy? Vattel Dec 2014 #114

I believe he was going to 'renegotiate' it, not repeal it. The TPP under negotiation includes Mexico pampango Dec 2014 #116

Whatever. All I know is the jobs are gone for good. JEB Dec 2014 #117

US-Canada FTA was in fact superseded by NAFTA. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #193

Thanks. I did not know that the TPP would not supersede NAFTA, as NAFTA had superseded pampango Dec 2014 #206

USTR has annoucned it. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #212

This needs to be on top. woo me with science Dec 2014 #93

Oh they see it, but what BS can they come up with really? Rex Dec 2014 #120

So much for him being "free" to become more liberal in his second term. senseandsensibility Dec 2014 #96

This is Obama. 99Forever Dec 2014 #97

Here it comes ... any second!!!!!!!! JoePhilly Dec 2014 #102

It has been on the drawing board, the secret sessions seem to be wrapping up, and djean111 Dec 2014 #104

So in 30 days? JoePhilly Dec 2014 #106

What part of it having been on the drawing board, still being written in secret, do you djean111 Dec 2014 #110

Oh please, you need to just stop!! Notice how it was not mentioned during sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #136

Has it happened? JoePhilly Dec 2014 #139

So you did say it wouldn't happen, I thought so. Will it happen? If Obama has anything to say sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #142

Oh no!!! You trapped me!!! JoePhilly Dec 2014 #151

Obama wants it to happen, are you calling him a liar or too incompetent to do it? Dragonfli Dec 2014 #171

I don't understand your posts. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #195

I didn't realize we still had jobs to give away. Vinca Dec 2014 #103

+10 ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #138

Memories of who the real "Base" is in both parties: IDemo Dec 2014 #105

He's just carrying out.. sendero Dec 2014 #107

Are people you crap on every time you get the chance really your base? QC Dec 2014 #118

Not anymore. woo me with science Dec 2014 #121

People aren't the base anymore. polichick Dec 2014 #122

Corporations are the Base and Obama is the Red Herring....n/t KoKo Dec 2014 #137

That is so sadly true. 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #153

Obama defying his base? Is that supposed to be something new? Airc, he boasted about sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #134

Not surprised. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #144

This could really use a a Pro Sensible analysis seveneyes Dec 2014 #150

Logical like Stigliz? OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #190

Defy? FiveGoodMen Dec 2014 #152

FFS! Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #156

I wonder how many Republicans will eagerly vote in favor of this, my guess is B Calm Dec 2014 #204

I have read as much as I can lend to this issue. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #227

NAFTA ...strike one, CAFTA,...strike two NM_Birder Dec 2014 #234

ogawdno he's never done that before! n/t librechik Dec 2014 #235

kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #237

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kick nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #240

Welp fuck. What the hell is wrong with him getting suckered into this secret bullshit. lonestarnot Dec 2014 #246

I am sorry but this sounds like some more of the same: compromise with the right and they will jwirr Dec 2014 #252

kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #254

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"Defy democracy and U.S. sovereignty" is more accurate. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #256

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