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Union Scribe

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1. Great point

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:01 AM

Dec 2014

I'm pretty tired of the idea that there are no standards to being a Dem politician besides local electability. It's stretching the well-flogged "lesser of two evils" gambit to its breaking point. A line has to be drawn where we realize that compromising ideals means alienating those who really believe in them.

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How far right wing of a candidate do we have to put up with before we can say no more [View all] Arcanetrance Dec 2014 OP

Great point Union Scribe Dec 2014 #1

You put it so much better than I could. Arcanetrance Dec 2014 #3

Thanks, you did just fine though :) Union Scribe Dec 2014 #6

well, locally in NW Arkansas (considered the liberal stronghold) WhiteTara Dec 2014 #36

Thank you. 840high Dec 2014 #4

ideals, though, are up to the local voters hfojvt Dec 2014 #64

Completely agree. onecaliberal Dec 2014 #2

Don't vote for them. 840high Dec 2014 #5

In far too many instances they are the only Dem on the ballot. onecaliberal Dec 2014 #47

So? Don't vote for them. 840high Dec 2014 #70

This is why the primaries matter so much. salib Dec 2014 #79

I am an elected member of my central committee onecaliberal Dec 2014 #80

depends on the state , Landrieu voted with dems most of the times but more importantly her vote JI7 Dec 2014 #7

She'd vote with Democrats after much arm twisting and even than it wasn't always a sure thing Arcanetrance Dec 2014 #9

there is no "we" here, the people of each state elect the senators, i'm in california JI7 Dec 2014 #10

Rightwingers will be there until.. American_74911003 Dec 2014 #8

If Jeb ran as a Dem the DLC would demand we vote for him. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #11

Yup. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #69

Or, maybe she was too far right to win. Or just an unappealing candidate. merrily Dec 2014 #12

I agree with you Democrats need to start standing up and putting the right on the defensive side Arcanetrance Dec 2014 #13

Thanks. Please check out that Daily Show video I linked. merrily Dec 2014 #14

I shall in the morning I'm on my phone right now and for some reason it doesn't want to play it Arcanetrance Dec 2014 #15

Okay. By morning, I'll have another link for you. Nite merrily Dec 2014 #16

This link works for me. Hope it does for you. (pipe friction, LOL! merrily Dec 2014 #25

Americans hate phonies MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #17

Very true. Arcanetrance Dec 2014 #18

Flaming Liberals seem to do quite well MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #19

Jesus I'm sick of this. The ONLY TWO DEMOCRATS to beat R incumbents were "evil blue dogs" Recursion Dec 2014 #27

Which liberals ran and lost in the midterms? Rex Dec 2014 #51

Garcia, Schneider, Enyart, Horsford, Shea-Porter, Bishop, Maffei Recursion Dec 2014 #54

Yeah the midterms were horrible, even most conservative dems couldn't keep their seats. Rex Dec 2014 #55

7 liberals were defeated as opposed to 3 conservatives Recursion Dec 2014 #56

Because they tried to appeal to voters that typically vote republican? Rex Dec 2014 #57

They live in liberal states/districts Recursion Dec 2014 #58

Then what Manny said was true and thanks for proving it. Rex Dec 2014 #59

No, liberals did *worse* at keeping their seats this time than conservatives. 7 liberals lost Recursion Dec 2014 #60

Your claim Rex Dec 2014 #61

I agree liberals are great at holding liberal districts. I never disputed that. We should nominate Recursion Dec 2014 #63

Sorry, I thought that was what you were disputing. Rex Dec 2014 #65

On DU? Jamastiene Dec 2014 #71

That's what he said. (Harry S. Truman) merrily Dec 2014 #21

the 50 state strategy DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #20

I thought the 50 state strategy was simply not giving up on states just because they were red merrily Dec 2014 #22

North Carolina shocked me in 2008 by voting blue. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #74

In theory it is DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #81

The Party needs to take a hard look at 2010 and 2011, stop blaming voters and merrily Dec 2014 #87

I agree with the census DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #88

There is no equal in the sense that, if you believe in God, God's wanting you to vote against merrily Dec 2014 #90

a bit of goalpost moving DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #91

I did not compare torture with voting. merrily Dec 2014 #92

Right/Left false paradigms are becoming irrelevant Man from Pickens Dec 2014 #23

Landrieu! Landrieu! Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #24

As long as the person is as far left as they can be and win the seat, I literally have no limit. Recursion Dec 2014 #26

You may have noticed that a lot of people here... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #29

I'm glad you said that because Senator Frank Church was from Idaho. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #86

But, but, Hillary Clinton campaigned for Landrieu tularetom Dec 2014 #28

Then how do you explain her husband winning two terms... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #30

We were a lot dumber back then.. sendero Dec 2014 #32

We really smartened up giving Shrub two terms... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #33

Democrats.. sendero Dec 2014 #34

But, since he lost the House... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #35

So you think Liz Warren was right to vote for George Bush over Bill Clinton? Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #38

George Bush.. sendero Dec 2014 #48

He ran a lot more Democratic than he presidented tularetom Dec 2014 #49

A pet rock would have looked good by comparison to daddy Bush. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #73

I've said it and I will keep saying it.. sendero Dec 2014 #31

I would argue that Landrieu was too far to the right to .... Scuba Dec 2014 #37

But there were more liberal candidates in the primary JI7 Dec 2014 #39

Did they get the backing of the party leadership? Scuba Dec 2014 #40

why would liberals care about backing of JI7 Dec 2014 #41

Why aren't party leaders backing liberal candidates even though more conservative candidates lose? Scuba Dec 2014 #42

well Landrieu won in her previous elections JI7 Dec 2014 #43

Chicken - egg. Scuba Dec 2014 #44

lol JI7 Dec 2014 #45

Exactly. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #75

We only have to put up with the candidate we chose to vote for, the one who represents our values. Autumn Dec 2014 #46

Maybe if she had been more LEFT LEANING Dems would have come out more enthusiastically sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #50

The gnashing of the teeth over that fact seems to have some here losing their minds. Rex Dec 2014 #52

It's hard to give up an ideology I suppose. The Think Tank that told them all they needed to do was sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #53

How come she did so much better than Obama in 2008? onenote Dec 2014 #83

Every Dem was voting for anyone with a D after their names back then. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #84

again: why do you think attracted so many more voters than Obama in 2008? onenote Dec 2014 #85

Doesn't really matter when you cede ground without Skidmore Dec 2014 #62

We need to get back to the moderate core of the party. Rex Dec 2014 #66

This is a "When did you stop beating your wife" OP that assumes facts not in evidence nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #67

But ONLY right leaning Democrats have been proven to lose truly effectively! Zorra Dec 2014 #68

It is the only "pragmatic" way to lose, by running Third Way candidates. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #76

read 'up from conservativism' by ex reaganaut michael phillips... pretzel4gore Dec 2014 #72

"Not as bad" rang up a no-sale in 2014. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #77

Why would Democrats cheer the loss of a Democrat seat? Why the snarky remarks? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #78

If our candidate is still not as far to the right as the repub, then they have my support onenote Dec 2014 #82

According to the corporatists and their enablers/apologsts hifiguy Dec 2014 #89