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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

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Sun Dec 7, 2014, 09:45 AM Dec 2014

People who say 'DU does not reflect Dem voters' are right. [View all]

But probably not in the way they mean it.

I keep seeing that statement used to attempt to proclaim that 'liberals' are 'too far left', and that the Party needs to be much farther to the 'right' to win elections. But the reality isn't a matter of 'left' or 'right'. It's a matter of what folks consider when they vote.

People who are more 'active' politically, more 'wonky', are more issue driven, and usually not 'single issue' even then, even if they strongly believe in prioritizing the issues the country faces.

But your run of the mill voter just isn't. They're not choosing who they vote for based upon some imaginary 'right-left spectrum'. They don't go to the polls and say 'I'm going to vote for the most liberal candidate' or 'I'm going to vote for the most conservative candidate'.

In large part, they first go to the polls and vote for incumbents. An incumbent, no matter how godawful they may be, has proven that they were able to get elected, which gives them a major advantage, both in primaries and generals. In the primary, no matter what they did while in office, they already can say 'I can win, I did it before'. Not to mention they're going to start off with more name recognition and probably a decent sized 'warchest' to help them outspend opponents. So it's no surprise that a Mary Landrieu can win her primary, both against more conservative or more liberal opponents. Her primary win doesn't really have much to do with her degree of 'conservativeness' or 'liberalness'. In the general, they still have several advantages - name recognition and money being the biggest ones, but they've already run the campaign before - they know what helped and what hurt.

But the people who can vote, who might vote, who will vote... Vote for a variety of reasons. Some do indeed vote on a scale of 'right vs left', but they're not the only voters out there by far, and you can't consistently win elections simply by chasing that one subset of voters. You have to also win the votes of voters who aren't wonks, who aren't activists, who aren't, in fact, largely 'issues driven'. People who vote based on personal charisma, personality, apparent confidence and competence, and all the other factors that go into the 'optics' of politics. The voters who can be drawn into voting against their own best interests by a warm smile, a line of patter about 'compassionate conservatism' or other non-issue, non-reality based reasons.

And this is where the 'We've got to run more conservative candidates in these districts/states' people simply miss the boat. They're focused solely on the 'left/right' spectrum, and don't think optics actually matters much. They think "progressives" 'can't win' because they're 'too far left', and completely ignore all of the voters who vote for reasons other than issues. But every election, voters come out and vote for people who are, on the issues, absolutely lousy in terms of representing those voters.

Why? Because those winning candidates actually cared about optics. They presented themselves as strong-willed, firm in resolve, willing to stand behind their beliefs. It doesn't matter that some of those beliefs are totally insane. They're actually willing to embrace them, and to proclaim that they'll DO something. Even if that something is going to hurt the same people who turn around and vote for them.

So sure, they'll lose the votes of 'issues voters' who disagree with them on the issues, but they'll win the votes of those voters who may disagree with them on issues, but see them as having the better 'character', not being a wishy washy type who weasels around and doesn't actually believe in the very things they say they're for.

So no, DU doesn't really reflect the voting public, not because 'We're too far left', but because we focus a lot more on issues and the 'left-right spectrum' than the average voter.

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Nice post Erin. I've noticed the same thing. ~nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #1
Edward L. Bernays on propaganda sulphurdunn Dec 2014 #2
I certainly see nothing with which to disagree in that set of statements. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #3
Bernays was a 20th centry sulphurdunn Dec 2014 #34
+1 zeemike Dec 2014 #10
I Just Posted Something Similar To This ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #4
I think we're working on the 'wrong end' of change, as it were. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #5
Can't Argue With This, But The Children DO ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #7
People become informed about things they care about. former9thward Dec 2014 #16
THIS I KNOW... Being A Boomer And Having Been A Part ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #44
I've said much the same thing myself. Great post! n/t ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #6
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #8
Perhaps I phrased that slightly wrong for what I was trying to say. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #9
Perhaps the people who are here 24/7 complaining about... JaneyVee Dec 2014 #11
I actually was planning to, after the last election in which my Rep ran unopposed. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #12
You could have run in the primary. former9thward Dec 2014 #17
Very clever smear. Great job! Scuba Dec 2014 #19
Not too clever actually Doctor_J Dec 2014 #30
"We're too far left" turd way barking ...not in my everyday world. L0oniX Dec 2014 #13
"Friends" DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #18
My friends are mostly fellow sailors in Tampa bay area. L0oniX Dec 2014 #23
I told this story here once before . My friend and I made three business calls in one day ... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #24
I think that's an oversimplification. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #25
Yeah, I have friends whose politics are different than mine. We talk about something else though. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #27
Maybe it depends on just how good friends you are with someone? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #28
I had a friend in grad school who was a pretty hard core libertarian. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #29
Actually, to the other side voting has become the way white people stay in power.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #14
Not all over America Andy823 Dec 2014 #26
And how do they get their voters out? kentuck Dec 2014 #32
Fear, anger, hate. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #35
Republicans use the techniques of the mythical Satan.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #42
That answer would be very complex treestar Dec 2014 #41
Excellent Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #15
Breat OP, thanks Erich! Scuba Dec 2014 #20
Well, I am not so sure about sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #21
It's not 'alone'. My point is that you can't simply chase one subset of the vote. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #22
It resonated with enough people in Massachusetts treestar Dec 2014 #40
The Eternal Argument. kentuck Dec 2014 #31
The appeal is ALWAYS to MONEY Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #33
What is the point of a Democratic party that believes the Republicans are correct and who TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #38
People forget what candidates focus on Johonny Dec 2014 #36
Indeed. The time for candidates to campaign Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #37
The elections take place in states treestar Dec 2014 #39
"not the party centrally" aspirant Dec 2014 #43
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